Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/09/11 02:21, D G Teed wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed wrote: >>> > > You like listening to yourself type. Speaks volumes about you, says nothing of me. None of this debates the issue. A debate? You deb

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-20 Thread Lee Winter
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:21 PM, D G Teed wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed wrote: > I think it is healthy to have a dose of skepticism with these things. You also need to apply that attitude to what you see in t

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-20 Thread D G Teed
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed wrote: > > > >> It remains an urban legend as long as there is no proof offered otherwise. > > No - *that's* piss poor logic - the sort epoused by TV talk show hosts > and radio shock jocks. > >

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/09/11 14:50, Lee Winter wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: > >> I use Dban and shred (stick them in an old machine and take as long as >> it takes) - then disable the drive (pin in the breather hole), pliers on >> the power connectors. ^^ I'm refering to non

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Lee Winter
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > I use Dban and shred (stick them in an old machine and take as long as > it takes) - then disable the drive (pin in the breather hole), pliers on > the power connectors. DBAN is definitely one of the better tools out there, but it has wea

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/09/11 05:24, D G Teed wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Winter > wrote: > > > You also failed to consider the asymmetry between the possible > outcomes once the "truth" becomes known. �If one-pass overwrite is > sufficient, but one u

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/09/11 04:08, Lee Winter wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Lee Winter >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Aaron Toponce >>> wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:59:14AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > If you wan

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Brad Alexander
All the back and forth. I say, if you want to be truly safe and if you have the means, give your old hard the same treatment as the Terminator in T2... Other than that, let your security meaures match your threat environment. If you have to worry about National Technical Means, then by all means,

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread D G Teed
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Lee Winter wrote: > > You also failed to consider the asymmetry between the possible > outcomes once the "truth" becomes known. If one-pass overwrite is > sufficient, but one uses multiple passes, then one has lost a small > increment of time. If one pass overwri

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Dom
On 19/09/11 17:57, D G Teed wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Lee Winterwrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote: On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:59:14AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: If you want to be safe, you need to overwrite the data several times, Have anything to ba

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Lee Winter
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:57 PM, D G Teed wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Lee Winter > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Aaron Toponce >> wrote: >> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:59:14AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> If you want to be safe, you need to overwrite the data

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread D G Teed
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Lee Winter wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Aaron Toponce > wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:59:14AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> If you want to be safe, you need to overwrite the data several times, > > > > Have anything to back that up? If you'

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-19 Thread Lee Winter
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:59:14AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> If you want to be safe, you need to overwrite the data several times, > > Have anything to back that up? If you're using drives that used the old MFM > or RLL encoding schemes,

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Forwarded Message > > > From: Mark > > > To: Debian List > > > Subject: Re: Wiping hard drives > > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:15:38 -0700 > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Aaron Toponce > > > wrote: > >

Re: Wiping hard drives - Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2011 #1704

2011-09-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> > Forwarded Message > > From: Mark > > To: Debian List > > Subject: Re: Wiping hard drives > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:15:38 -0700 > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Aaron Toponce > > wrote: > > > > DBan is overkill, by leaps and bounds. Not only d