On Jul 14, 2025, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:45:56 -0400
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Only reason my wife's not on linux (anymore) is because the new
> > paper-cutter thing (by cricut) needs windows-only drivers and I'm not
> > allowed to take it apart and start probing around.
>
>
> Right, but her laptop is pretty much dead (won't charge any longer and
> has only 4 gb of RAM) and cannot be revived for any sensible amount of
> money, so she must buy a new one.
Side note: the "new" one doesn't have to be literally new, it could be
second-hand as well.
Stefan
Greg (HE12025-07-14):
> Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are
> using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.
Any evidence to support that claim?
--
Nicolas George
> On 14 Jul 2025, at 16:52, Greg wrote:
>
> On 2025-07-14, Michael Stone wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote:
>>> the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain
>>
>> You don't understand irony, do you?
>>
>
> Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooled
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 9:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote:
> > On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
> > >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...]
> > >
> > > But that's
On 2025-07-14, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote:
>>the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain
>
> You don't understand irony, do you?
>
Sure. All the old hands (Hasler, Wright, tomas, Wooledge et. al.) are
using Gnome, the default Debian desktop.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 09:45:56 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> Only reason my wife's not on linux (anymore) is because the new
> paper-cutter thing (by cricut) needs windows-only drivers and I'm not
> allowed to take it apart and start probing around.
It probably actually runs on something somewher
On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 11:27:46 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
> Is it a underhanded plan to have the experienced users quietly by
> themselves?
No, it is a sneaky underhanded plot to leave the email lists entirely
to the old hands and rid us of pesky boring newbie questions like
"Where's the power sw
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 01:18:03PM -, Greg wrote:
the old dinosaurs hold them in a certain disdain
You don't understand irony, do you?
On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> >> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
> >> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...]
> >
> > But that's why she has you, right? :)
> >
>
> Right, but her laptop is pretty
On 2025-07-14, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I think that's already happened, more or less. The issue is that to get
>> my wife to use Debian it would need to be preinstalled [...]
>
> But that's why she has you, right? :)
>
Right, but her laptop is pretty much dead (won't charge any longer and
has onl
On Jul 14, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-14, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Greg (HE12025-07-12):
> >> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
> >
> > As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw
> > in any way…
>
> I do completely acknowledge that.
On 2025-07-14, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg (HE12025-07-12):
>> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
>
> As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw
> in any way…
I do completely acknowledge that.
>> The thrust of the OP seems to be directe
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 11:27:46AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg (HE12025-07-12):
> > The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
> > *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list,
> > please get real.
>
> So, you would have a webforum with
Greg (HE12025-07-12):
> That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
As long as you acknowledge that not being in the majority is not a flaw
in any way…
> The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
> *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read t
On 7/13/25 8:33 AM, Greg wrote:
On 2025-07-11, The Wanderer wrote:
I am not aware of any potential solution for this that has seemed to me
as if it would actually be viable.
If I'm missing any that would, or if I'm wrong and some of the ones I've
dismissed as non-viable actually would be viab
On 2025-07-11, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I am not aware of any potential solution for this that has seemed to me
> as if it would actually be viable.
>
> If I'm missing any that would, or if I'm wrong and some of the ones I've
> dismissed as non-viable actually would be viable, I would be *actively
Greg writes:
> My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
> commodious place for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
> newsgroups are foreign modes of communication.
I would welcome such a thing as long as it did not require me to
exchange my presen
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>> but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
>>> after all it is their's
>>
>> not really--a
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
> > after all it is their's
>
> not really--anyone can start a forum, they just have to figure
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2025, Michael Stone wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:53:08PM -, Greg wrote:
> >> My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
> >> commodious p
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 04:09:25PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
but doesn't it all come down to the whims of the debian gods
after all it is their's
not really--anyone can start a forum, they just have to figure out how
to convince people to use it
On Sat, 12 Jul 2025, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:53:08PM -, Greg wrote:
>> My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
>> commodious place for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
>> newsgroups are foreign m
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:53:08PM -, Greg wrote:
My understanding was that everyone here would be welcome to a more
commodious place for the newer generations for whom mailing lists and
newsgroups are foreign modes of communication.
And if the people here are more comfortable on mailing
On 2025-07-12, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:25:56PM -, Greg wrote:
>>You people are talking to yourselves. That's the problem which the OP
>>is seeking to solve.
>
> It seems "you're welcome here" means "you're welcome so
On 2025-07-12, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> Am Sa, Jul 12, 2025 at 14:48:20 - schrieb Greg:
>>That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
>
> Fine with me, I don’t have a smartphone either and don’t use any social
> media.
>
>>The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards t
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 03:25:56PM -, Greg wrote:
You people are talking to yourselves. That's the problem which the OP
is seeking to solve.
It seems "you're welcome here" means "you're welcome some other place
that doesn't exist yet, and where the peop
On 2025-07-12, wrote:
>> The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
>> *new* users, who ain't gonna be using Gnus to read this mailing list,
>> please get real.
>
> If that's your criterion, what are you doing dabbling in Debian?
>
> The *vast* majority is on Windows the
On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 02:48:20PM -, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-10, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> >>> once alternatives are provided and
> >>> decently supported, people actively
Am Sa, Jul 12, 2025 at 14:48:20 - schrieb Greg:
That's fine as long as you realize you are in the vast minority.
Fine with me, I don’t have a smartphone either and don’t use any social
media.
The thrust of the OP seems to be directed towards the *majority* of
*new* users, who ain't gonn
Am Fr, Jul 11, 2025 at 14:51:49 - schrieb Greg:
email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the
shitload of emails flooding into their inboxes).
I use procmail to put the mails in fitting maildir folders.
And since maildir has every mail as a file, a simple find together
On 2025-07-10, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
>>> once alternatives are provided and
>>> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
>>
>> *Some* people may choose that.
>>
>
Paul writes:
> What package is [Gnus] in?
It's part of Emacs.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 06:52:42PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Zulip?
> Discourse?
> Lemmy?
>
> Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
> practice I don't know any that have such bridges (some have no such
> bridge, while other have such bridges but they do
> On 12 Jul 2025, at 06:15, Paul Scott wrote:
>
>
> On 7/11/25 11:04 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>>> I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
>>> into their inboxes
>> By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
>
> What package is it in?
>
> Thank you,
Emacs.
M-x gnu
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 08:19:32PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
[...]
> I don't anything about Discourse's email bridging, if any --
There is.
> my possibly naive take is that email users are distinctly second
> class,
they are, that's my experience.
The most acute challenge with mail is that it
On 7/11/25 11:04 AM, John Hasler wrote:
I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
What package is it in?
Thank you,
Paul
We love libre software! I hope libre software still alive in the next years.
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 03:16:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland (HE12025-07-11):
> > In short I think any attempt to provide a new place for users is going to
>
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
> >> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
>
> Zulip?
> Discourse?
> Lemmy?
>
> Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
> practice I don't know any that
Andy et al:
Can't make the conference anyway, but I've always felt welcome and
supported on the list.
Thanks for that.
Bob Crochelt
On 7/10/25 01:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Hi,
I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and people
new to De
>> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
>> discussion) that's more palatable to the youngsters?
Zulip?
Discourse?
Lemmy?
Ideally, such a thing would have good&nice bridges to&from email, but in
practice I don't know any that have such bridges (some have no such
bri
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 6:50 AM Joe wrote:
>
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> Philipp Ewald wrote:
>
> > Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
> > > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
> > > say things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam
On 2025-07-11 at 09:06, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:10 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> The web interface is exactly the same as the mailing lists, which
>> are exactly the same as the newsgroups, which also produces an
>> ATOM/RSS feed and an IRC bot. Any access reads and, if
> I don't even know how people handle the shitload of emails flooding
> into their inboxes
By using Gnus. It handles mail like news.
--
John Hasler
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 11:58:04AM +0300, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Andy Smith writes:
> > I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> > increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> > intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a forum
On Jul 11, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> >> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
> >> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
> >> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
> >
> > A sieve rule to stuff
On 2025-07-11, Loris Bennett wrote:
>
> So I don't think the issue is just "youngsters", who are in my
> experience form fairly heterogenous group anyway, but more of a failure
> of understanding what exactly a mailing list is and what its advantages
> are. This problem may be exacerbated by the
On 2025-07-11, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I use a mail to news gateway (gmane) that I find more convenient than
>> email (to tell the truth, I don't even know how people handle the shitload
>> of emails flooding into their inboxes).
>
> A sieve rule to stuff all you lot into "INBOX.Debian-User" :)
A
On Jul 11, 2025, Greg wrote:
> On 2025-07-11, Joe wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> > Philipp Ewald wrote:
> >
> >> Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
> >> > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
> >> > say things like, "email is only for password r
On 2025-07-11, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:13:05 +0200
> Philipp Ewald wrote:
>
>> Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
>> > I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally
>> > say things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam
>> > login code". It'
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 02:06:03PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> (and the sites I am aware of using Mailman 2 are reluctant to move to 3.
> Debian does not use Mailman.)
I moved MM2 -> MM3 at the start of the year at the same time as I moved the
server from CentOS to Debian. It was a complete
Jonathan Dowland (HE12025-07-11):
> In short I think any attempt to provide a new place for users is going to
^
> take a serious investment of time to make sure the place is not disregarded
> for being a ghost town.
I think this “for us
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 8:10 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote:
The D language folks have a great system at
https://forum.dlang.org
https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed
The web interface is exactly the same as the mailing lists,
which are exactly the same as the newsgroups, which also
produces an ATOM/
On Thu Jul 10, 2025 at 4:19 PM BST, Andy Smith wrote:
Twice this year I have had to join a Discord to get support for an
open source piece of software. Can we do better than Discord or are we
going to ignore everything that's not email until we all have to be on
Discord?
I think if there was
I see trends where young user using "mobile numbers" rather then "E-mail
adresses" for registrations. I dont get it, dont ask me.
many changing email address after switching phones. Because create a new is
easy and there dont know there have any already
won't be as keen on handing them your d
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, Loris Bennett wrote:
> John Dow writes:
>
>> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
>> wrote:
>>
>> Andy Smith writes:
>>
>> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
>> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
>>
On Jul 11, 2025, Loris Bennett wrote:
> John Dow writes:
>
> > On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> > wrote:
> >
> > Andy Smith writes:
> >
> > I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> > increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
John Dow writes:
> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> wrote:
>
> Andy Smith writes:
>
> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a
Am 10.07.25 um 15:14 schrieb Andy Smith:
I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
technology, it's that specifically email is an unk
On Jul 11, 2025, John Dow wrote:
> [...]
> Granted, I’m an old fuddy-duddy who’s been using Linux since day 1
> (and UNIX before then), but email is the *perfect* medium for this
> type of interaction.
I'm not, but I agree here.
... though I did just notice the first bit of grey in my beard this
> On 11 Jul 2025, at 09:58, Anssi Saari
> wrote:
>
> Andy Smith writes:
>
>> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
>> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
>> intimidating.
>
> Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a p
Andy Smith writes:
> I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
> increasingly less likely to use email and are more likely to find email
> intimidating.
Do you have a proposal then for a forum (as in, a platform for group
discussion) that's more palatable to the youngst
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > once alternatives are provided
Already provided since 2006 - it's called Mint and it has a forum
https://forums.linuxmint.com/
> > and decently supported, people actively choose not to use e
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 07:34:58PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:59:33PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > lists) is wise.
> >
> > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Medi
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 7:09 PM wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> >> once alternatives are provided and
> >> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
> >
> > *Some* people may choose that.
> >
> >
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
>> once alternatives are provided and
>> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
>
> *Some* people may choose that.
>
> The rest of us will stay here.
>
agreed
there are thos
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > > lists) is wise.
> > >
> > > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> > > Chat, for
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 19:34:58 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> once alternatives are provided and
> decently supported, people actively choose not to use email.
*Some* people may choose that.
The rest of us will stay here.
eople that are
interested in Linux but have no desire to seek support by email will be
elsewhere.
Members of the Debian community certainly can take the position that
they don't welcome those users, or that those users are imaginary, or that
they exist but they are living their life wrongly. I don&#
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> lists) is wise.
>
> Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> Chat, for Gen-Z. However, I don't believe it is an either/or
> proposition. Debian should support email, mailing
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 3:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I don't think removing email workflows (which implies removing mailing
> > lists) is wise.
> >
> > Debian can support new ways to participate, like Social Media and
> > Chat, for Gen-Z. However, I don't believe it is a
On Jul 10, 2025, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 09:44:05AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > What "trend"? That kids don't use (or perhaps understand) stuff they've
> > had no real *need* of yet?
>
> The trend that people increasingly do not use email as a means of
> collaborati
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:19 PM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> > need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I think it'
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:57:43PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> OK, but take it further: these people who are not using email, are
> they actually likely to use a real computer for anything at all other
> than playing games? Their communication will be carried out using the
> mobile phone permanently g
> them, or overly paternalistic like the FSF¹.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> ¹ "Don't protect your web site from AI bot DDoS with Anubis because
>Anubis uses Javascript which is the devil!!"
[ Hmm... not sure what's paternalistic about the choice the FSF
sysadmins make r
> We're talking in this thread about people potentially interested in
> Debian, as opposed to Windows or other Linux distros. I'm suggesting
> that all these people will be comfortable with email, mailing lists
Comfortable with email: possibly (tho maybe they don't like using it).
But IME most us
ey're facts or how we can respond to them) you are welcome to do that
without me.
Thanks!
Andy
As this has transgressed to the extent that it shows that people are not
welcome on this list, I request that the topic be terminated.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
world
- Nothing Debian does will reverse those trends
Things that aren't facts:
- Young people don't know what is important in life
Some things I am just not up for debate on, and so yeah if you want to
debate whether any of the above is a (non-)fact (as opposed to why
they're fact
On 10/7/25 23:10, Andy Smith wrote:
I'm telling you how things are
Those are the words that are problematic - "I am the absolute authority
and the absolute expert regarding what is happening..."
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:25:56PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:19:40PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > > The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> > > to keep a
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 04:00:09PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> And are new computer users not pretty much compelled to set up a
> Microsoft email address? It's getting more difficult to avoid.
> Certainly a mobile phone user will be required to have an email address.
I think today's computer users re
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 03:19:40PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> > to keep all interaction within their eco system - email is something
> > that let
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> The likes of facebook are steering people away from email as they want
> to keep all interaction within their eco system - email is something
> that lets people escape from them.
I would dispute your claim that email is the
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 09:44:05AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> What "trend"? That kids don't use (or perhaps understand) stuff they've
> had no real *need* of yet?
The trend that people increasingly do not use email as a means of
collaboration. I'm sorry if that is unwelcome to you, but it's
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:14:49 +
Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if
> > they need us to answer questions that should be fine.
&g
>> I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
>> things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
>> code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
>> technology, it's that specifically email is an unknown and unwieldy
>> tool for them
On Jul 10, 2025, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> > need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I think it's wor
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 01:14:49PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> I know a large number of people under the age of 20 who literally say
> things like, "email is only for password reminders and my Steam login
> code". It's not that they are non-technical or uninterested in
> technology, it's that speci
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 08:48:18AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
> need us to answer questions that should be fine.
I think it's worth considering the fact that new computer users are
increasingly less li
and also
> > to front up and ask questions.
> >
> > To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if
> > they need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
> I didn't know of debcamp, but I found https://debconf25.debconf.org/
>
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and
> people new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also
> to front up and ask questions.
>
> To make it REALLY clear - anybody and every
nd I was learning it, so I wasn't afraid of the
command line.
> To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if
> they need us to answer questions that should be fine.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_such_thing_as_a_stupid_question
--
Joe
Hi,
I'm at a chat in Debcamp about the experience for new Linux users and people
new to Debian. It can be intimidating to use Debian and also to front up
and ask questions.
To make it REALLY clear - anybody and everybody is welcome here: if they
need us to answer questions that should be
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 5:09 AM Tom Browder wrote:
>
> I am preparing servers to use with OpenSMTPD and Sympa to provide mail
and mailing list service.
...
After considering all the suggestions, I have prepared a plan, using a bit
of pseudo code, to describe what I believe I need to do.
Interest
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:04 AM Henning Follmann
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:47:36AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 08:37 Henning Follmann
...
> For years I operated a couple of sendmail installations. That and the
> O'Reilly Sendmail book tought me a lot.
> Today
On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 12:36:38 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote:
> ...
> > Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a qu
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:36 PM Tom Browder wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote:
> > Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a quick
> > search on the page for "mailname" and didn't get anything. Anyway, what
> > I really wanted to know was what function
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM Brian wrote:
> On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote:
...
> Thanks, I will read the page in detail later. Meanwhile, I did a quick
> search on the page for "mailname" and didn't get anything. Anywa
On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 11:22:58 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote:
>
> > On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 05:09:47 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
> >
> ...
> | > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two
>
> > > servers I will designate for the DN
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 09:36 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 21 Feb 2020 at 05:09:47 -0600, Tom Browder wrote:
>
...
| > I need to settle on names to define as the "mailname" for each the two
> > servers I will designate for the DNS MX records for all my mail-enabled
> > domains. The mailnames should be
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