Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread David Wright
On Sun 28 Jul 2024 at 09:45:44 (-0500), allan wrote: > I've run Sid exclusively for years; the last time I broke it badly > enough to justify a reinstall was in 2013 and that was for not paying > attention during an upgrade :) > > My heartburn is I would have expected to see this change in a > ch

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-28 Thread David Wright
On Mon 29 Jul 2024 at 09:23:16 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote: > On 28/07/2024 20:08, Erwan David wrote: > > I also have a 99-systcl.conf which is a copy of the former /etc/sysctl.conf > > When you are going to replace a file provided by a package, check if > it is a configuration file at first (e.g.

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-28 Thread Max Nikulin
On 28/07/2024 20:08, Erwan David wrote: I also have a 99-systcl.conf which is a copy of the former /etc/sysctl.conf When you are going to replace a file provided by a package, check if it is a configuration file at first (e.g. dpkg -s). Despite most of files in /etc/ are marked as configurati

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-07-28 20:01:35 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > In the interests of posting something *useful*, here's a timeline. > As I understand it, here's what's happened so far: > > 2024-06-23: bug #1074156 filed against package procps > procps: Depend or Recommend linux-sysctl-defaults > Bug f

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 01:13:10 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-07-28 14:13:09 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > And posting on debian-user with a bombastic Subject line which implies > > that this is a widespread issue when it really only seems to exist in > > Unstable is, quite frankly,

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-07-28 14:13:09 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > And posting on debian-user with a bombastic Subject line which implies > that this is a widespread issue when it really only seems to exist in > Unstable is, quite frankly, in my opinion at best dishonest. No, the breakage was done *on purpos

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread allan
I've run Sid exclusively for years; the last time I broke it badly enough to justify a reinstall was in 2013 and that was for not paying attention during an upgrade :) My heartburn is I would have expected to see this change in a changelog and apt-listchanges didn't say a word about this. As far

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-28 at 10:13, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 28 Jul 2024 15:08 +0200, from er...@rail.eu.org (Erwan David): >> Le 28/07/2024 à 14:28, allan a écrit : >>> I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. >> >> [...] But in my view it is a bug to remove something else than the >>

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!

2024-07-28 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 28 Jul 2024 15:08 +0200, from er...@rail.eu.org (Erwan David): > Le 28/07/2024 à 14:28, allan a écrit : >> I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. > > [...] But in my view it is a bug to remove something else than > the symlink even with the same name At the risk of repeati

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/07/2024 à 14:28, allan a écrit : I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. I found the 99-sysctl.conf symlink accidentally. I removed the symlink and moved sysctl.conf to 99-sysctl.conf since the original config was not being read. This turned out to be a lousy idea sin

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-28 Thread allan
I would agree with you *if* the change had been publicized. I found the 99-sysctl.conf symlink accidentally. I removed the symlink and moved sysctl.conf to 99-sysctl.conf since the original config was not being read. This turned out to be a lousy idea since the symlink was removed with the next

Re: Upgrading systemd may silently break your Unstable/Sid system!; was: systemd may silently break your system!

2024-07-28 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 28 Jul 2024 04:25 +0200, from vinc...@vinc17.net (Vincent Lefevre): >> A conffile is user-managed, so any changes you make to a conffile must >> be respected by the package. It can't just overwrite your changes, or >> restore a conffile if you've deleted it. > > This is rather poor design, bec