Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:46:45AM -0400, Stephen Powell uttered: > You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you > run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help > others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have nothing > against

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Andrew M.A. Cater put forth on 4/11/2010 6:54 PM: > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:58:59AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote: >>> On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote: On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: But you do u

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 08:58:59AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote: > > On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > > > > But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> You're welcome to search our archives.  But don't post here unless you > run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help > others as well as yourself.  I'm not trying to be unkind.  I have nothing > against you personally.  But it is not fair for you to run another OS and

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

; derivative of the thread > "[OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a > different version name" and *I* decide what this thread is about. > Please don't hijack my thread. > If you want to start a thread that says Ubuntu is better than Debian, > then go

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:59:48 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:51:01 +0200, godo wrote: ... > > We can talk about everything not just Linux OS on > > d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org > > > > Why not ask there? > > Because I sincerely think that things like i.e.,

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:51:01 +0200, godo wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> >> (...) >> >> I acknowledge every list has it own rules but true is that some >> questions are so wide that are also valid for any kind of linux flavour >> and every list user will get benefit from the responses. >> >> And

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:46:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: (...) You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have noth

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:46:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: (...) > You're welcome to search our archives. But don't post here unless you > run Debian, want to know how your system works, and are willing to help > others as well as yourself. I'm not trying to be unkind. I have > nothing against

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

ad is about. I am the OP of this derivative of the thread "[OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name" and *I* decide what this thread is about. Please don't hijack my thread. If you want to start a thread that says Ubuntu is better th

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:56:10AM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: > > >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > > >> > > >>

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29, godo wrote: Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues: * proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed) * multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos) * backports for: - wicd or network-manager (if applicable, espe

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29, godo wrote: > >> Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues: >> >> * proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed) >> * multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos) >> * backports for: >>  - wicd or network-manager (if applicable, especially

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:49, Dotan Cohen wrote: > That is exactly what I do! However, I use a Debian derivative as it > has slightly better hardware support out of the box and more > up-to-date packages than straight Debian. That is exactly what this > thread is about. For personal use i prefe

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Sure, but first you have to take care at least of these issues: * proprietary drivers (if applicable and/or needed) * multimedia stuff (add debian-multimedia repos) * backports for: - wicd or network-manager (if applicable, especially since network-manager in lenny is too old) - flash

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

>> No, these are normal everyday people who don't know what Windows or >> what Linux is. They have a problem, they call me. No bitching, no >> blaming. >> >> > In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will do him a > big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will b

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> Are you saying that only those who want to learn to administer it should be > allowed to use Linux? > No, no, not at all. It may have been like that once, but today anyone can pick it up and use it. Maintain and fix it, no, but use it until problems arise, most certainly. And for some distros, t

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun,11.Apr.10, 12:15:53, godo wrote: > In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will > do him a big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will > be much safer from virus's and it's much easier to open synaptic, > hit refresh button, upgrade and apply then man

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

No, these are normal everyday people who don't know what Windows or what Linux is. They have a problem, they call me. No bitching, no blaming. In that case there is no really meter what they have. Only you will do him a big favor if you put Debian because in that case they will be much safe

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sunday 11 April 2010 09:02:49 you wrote: > >> But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about > >> their OS, correct? > > > > Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open > > SuSU 11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job. She said that s

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

>> But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about >> their OS, correct? They want the computer to be as transparent as >> possible in their workflow. >> >> > If they don't wont to learn they don't have. That's way there is PC service. > Tell me how much of them know solution f

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about their OS, correct? They want the computer to be as transparent as possible in their workflow. If they don't wont to learn they don't have. That's way there is PC service. Tell me how much of them know solution for some bigge

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

>> But you do understand that desktop users _don't_ want to learn about >> their OS, correct? > > Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open SuSU > 11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job.  She said that she didn't > want to know.  When I queried this, she sa

Re: Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 11/04/10 07:56 +0100, Lisi wrote: Recently I was trying to show my 15 year old granddaughter, who runs Open SuSU 11 on her laptop, how to do some small admin job. She said that she didn't want to know. When I queried this, she said: "When I am at school, the IT department does it for me

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Lisi put forth on 4/11/2010 1:56 AM: > On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote: >> On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: Give a man a fish and

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Saturday 10 April 2010 22:12:04 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: > >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > >> > >>    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > >>    Teach a

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:12:04AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: > > > >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > >> > >>    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > >>

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> Actually lenny is still on KDE 3.5, but you can get OOo 3.2 from > backports. > Thanks, I was going from the info on distrowatch. I will look into backports. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 10 April 2010 00:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: > >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: >> >>    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >>    Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. >> >> I'd rather le

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Sun,11.Apr.10, 00:00:24, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I was thinking of squeeze as (if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I am) > Lenny is still on KDE 4.2.x and Open Office 2.x. KDE 4.4 is such an > improvement over 4.2, and OOo 3.2 is worlds ahead of 2.4. Actually lenny is still on KDE 3.5, but you ca

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

>> Stability issues and updates are the reasons that I switched _to_ >> Ubuntu! Before that it was the early Fedoras. I still think that my >> favourite two Linux OSes were Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu Feisty. >> >> Maybe I will give Squeeze a round before my next install. I've last >> tested only Lenn

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> (1) No need to CC me; I am subscribed to the list. > Sorry, I will try to remember. Gmail has random to-whom-the-message-will-be-replied-to behaviour, and furthermore I prefer that I get CCed. So I usually play it safe. > (2) I see that you (and a number of others) have had fun with parodies o

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> While what you say is true to an extent, there are a number of members of > the Ubuntu list who are quite sharp. The Debian list on the whole is more > informative. > I did not mean to insult the whole list. Users such as NoOp (who also posts on openoffice-users) as tremendous help there. I real

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> Well, squeeze my be well into the last half of its cycle. They are working > toward a pre-release freeze now. > I was thinking of squeeze as (if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I am) Lenny is still on KDE 4.2.x and Open Office 2.x. KDE 4.4 is such an improvement over 4.2, and OOo 3.2 is worlds a

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:55:56 -0400 (EDT), Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 22:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10 years ago when I was looking >> for my first Linux distro.  I told a friend I wanted a server distro that >> wasn't going to spoon feed

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 04:44:46PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Ron Johnson put forth on 4/8/2010 9:58 PM: > > On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > > [snip] > >> > >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > >> > >>Give a man a fish and you feed him for a da

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 22:42, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > This is exactly the reason I chose Debian 10 years ago when I was looking > for my first Linux distro.  I told a friend I wanted a server distro that > wasn't going to spoon feed me, but make me learn something about Linux. Slackware is usuall

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Ron Johnson put forth on 4/8/2010 9:58 PM: > On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > [snip] >> >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: >> >>Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >>Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. >> >> I'd rathe

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Stephen Powell put forth on 4/8/2010 9:38 PM: > For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > >Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. > > I'd rather learn to fish. This is exactly the reason I chose Debi

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 16:41, Wayne wrote: > I guess it may be a sign of the times.  The world has changed over the past > 16+ years since I first joined this list.  Sadly, for this list, not for the > better.  Maybe if we stressed your points 2,3,4, it might change for the > better.  One can onl

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: [snip] > Stability issues and updates are the reasons that I switched _to_ > Ubuntu! Before that it was the early Fedoras. I still think that my > favourite two Linux OSes were Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu Feisty. > > Maybe I will give Squeeze a roun

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Stephen Powell wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: Â Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Â Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I'd rather learn

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: >> >>   Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >>   Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. >> >> I'd rather learn to fish. >

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Hi, On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bob McGowan wrote: > On 04/08/2010 07:17 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: >>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu users seem to

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer. That's my situation as well. If I need to know where is the menus Firefox is, or how to change my wallpaper, the Ubuntu list is fine. But nobody there understands _anything_ about

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 2010-04-08 23:49, Freeman wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:31:33PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: Give a man a fish

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 05:26:20AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Interesting.  This is the opposite of my experience, where I started friends > > out on Ubuntu as a way to break them into Linux but they found the amount of > > updates annoying, and there were some instability issues at different >

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:31:33PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500 > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > > > > > >Give a man a fish a

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:58:38 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: > [snip] > > > > For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > > > >Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. > >Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifet

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> There's another proverb: Teach a man to fish and he gets angry for making > him work. > Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for an evening. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com Please CC me if you want to be su

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: > >   Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. >   Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. > > I'd rather learn to fish. > In this case it's: Take a rope off their necks and you save him today. (get him off W

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 2010-04-08 21:38, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] For some reason, this well-known proverb is going through my head: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I'd rather learn to fish. There's another proverb: Teach a man to fis

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT), Dotan Cohen wrote: > Stephen Powell wrote: >> What I don't understand is why Ubuntu users *post* here, when they >> actually run Ubuntu. > > I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer. > > If I need to know where is the menus Fi

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> Interesting.  This is the opposite of my experience, where I started friends > out on Ubuntu as a way to break them into Linux but they found the amount of > updates annoying, and there were some instability issues at different > times.  So I switched them to Lenny - sure it took a little more to

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > [snip] > But the biggest reason that I run Ubuntu is to > promote it. I have done tens of installs for friends, neighbours, and > family. I need to be familiar with what they are running. Debian just > needs a bit too much work, a bit too much

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

> What I don't understand is why Ubuntu users *post* here, when they > actually run Ubuntu. I run Ubuntu and regularly read the Debian list, so maybe I can answer. If I need to know where is the menus Firefox is, or how to change my wallpaper, the Ubuntu list is fine. But nobody there understands

Re: Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

Stephen Powell wrote: On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT), Bob McGowan wrote: I run Ubuntu on my laptop, because I got tired of the manual Nvidia setup every time the kernel changed. I have been a regular on this forum for several months now, and I know from experience that the topic of th

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT), Bob McGowan wrote: > > I run Ubuntu on my laptop, because I got tired of the manual Nvidia > setup every time the kernel changed. I have been a regular on this forum for several months now, and I know from experience that the topic of the proprietary nvidi

Re: [OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On 04/08/2010 07:17 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >>> >>> BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu users seem to want to use the Debian> >>> forums? Don't they have forums of

[OT] Ubuntu vs Debian forums (was recompiling the kernel with a different version name)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:57:17 -0400 (EDT), bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:09:09 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> BTW, does anyone know why Ubuntu users seem to want to use the Debian> >> forums? Don't they have forums of their own? > > Yes they do, and in fact I find them

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Thanks all for your discussion on Lyx vs LaTex (and Word). I've been traveling and now pouring through a month's worth of emails. Just before I left, after reading all the documents that come with the TexLive system on Debian, I took 30 minutes and translated a few Lout letters into Latex. It wor

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:15, Russell L. Harris wrote: > * tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070224 17:28]: > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > >>> what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You r

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

* tom arnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070224 17:28]: > On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: >>On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: >>> what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or >>> do easy stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Saturday 24 February 2007 01:54, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not > > easily handled by a

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 10:54:30PM +1300 or thereabouts, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there's stuff not > easily handled by a wysiwig. Lyx, but why? Discovered 'gnuhtml2latex'. What a *nea

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:13:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar > >> printout next to your terminal. > > > > I pr

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > It's not Polite (nay, it's downright stupid) to ask "Why do you want > to know that?" on a -user mailing list. Erm, it's impolite to ask pertinent questions? Personally I find it impolite to be offended on when other people question you on why you are questioning them. S

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 02:00, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? > > Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? I

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:19, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> What GUI would that be? > > The relevance being? Because I asked? Why do I have to justify why I asked that question? > I figured since you didn't know the te

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > What GUI would that be? The relevance being? I figured since you didn't know the terms of fully expanded you were one of dem d'ere CLI people who think GUIs are da werk uf da debil! -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 23:00, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> "fully expanded"? > > Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which > expands the window to the entire screen. :P > > Although I pine for the day I can g

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > "fully expanded"? Yes, I am using vim in a wicked GUI and click on the leetle button which expands the window to the entire screen. :P Although I pine for the day I can give Wing IDE a try. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 22:05, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar >> printout next to your terminal. > > I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right > screen i

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Ron Johnson wrote: > There's no Law Of Nature that says you can't have your greenbar > printout next to your terminal. I prefer 2 screens now. Left screen is the on-line Python manual, right screen is my code in vim, fully expanded. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what t

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:52, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with > > this mail. > > > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy

Re: latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:45:09AM -0800, tom arnall wrote: > > what a great thread. hopefully we can begin 'subject'ing it properly with > this > mail. > > what about a WYSIWIG which produces latex files? You rough out or do easy > stuff with the wysiwig, then modify the latex files if there'

latex (was Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction))

On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:49, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: > > I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today > > that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and > > completeness (proper versi

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 07:32, John Hasler wrote: > Kevin Mark writes: >> You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to >> make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the >> back for flow charts and such. > > Prin

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 12:05, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: >> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Actually, I'm serious a

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On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:51:40AM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The > > > large print and *wide*, lined paper made

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 01:15 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Actually, I'm serious about the utility of big line printers. The > > large print and *wide*, lined paper made it easy to step thru your > > program, making notes, side c

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Am 2007-02-14 11:33:04, schrieb Greg Folkert: > Install Cygwin, its the only way to semi-fix it. ??? "bash.exe", "perl.exe" and "python.exe" can run definitivly in a DOS-Box since I use it for DJGPP . Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systema

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Am 2007-02-16 09:30:36, schrieb Greg Folkert: > Not permanently and not in your normal.dot. At least *I* could never Hmmm, in the german and french versions it CAN be switched off. Maybe you have a special version of the DHS which correct US- American if they do not follow the party line. :-)) >

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Am 2007-02-14 10:44:48, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: > That depends on how you define usable. Word might handle a 25 page > document. The experience of many of my friends has been that big > documents (25 pages is not big) are a real pain Word. One friend of > mine did his thesis (350-400 pages)

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian

Kevin Mark writes: > You certainly are correct in that the wide paper left sufficient room to > make notes, etc. I'd use the side for comments and corrections and the > back for flow charts and such. Print in landscape mode on 11X17. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:59, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Kevin Mark wrote: I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a noise cover oth

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:33 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Kevin Mark wrote: > >> I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a > >> noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( > > > > Yup, yup and yup. Of c

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:09, Steve Lamb wrote: > Kevin Mark wrote: >> I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a >> noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( > > Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to wor

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 00:15, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler w

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:05:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> On 02/20/07 15:

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

Kevin Mark wrote: > I recall they are huge, requiring a lot of floor space and required a > noise cover otherwise you'd hear ear-splitting, griding noise. X-( Yup, yup and yup. Of course having to work on some model or another of green-bar printer for the past year-and-a-half lemme tell you,

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 23:52, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: >>> On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:24:52PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: > > On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: > [snip] > > in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 15:45, Alan Chandler wrote: > On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: [snip] > in about 1982 I was in the market for a line printer so that my team > could print out their software listings and was pursuaded by the our HP

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:45:16PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: > > I no longer have anything to do with that area - but I would say today > that we still cannot produce documents with the consistency and > completeness (proper version control of all documentation, with the > version numbers aut

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:29, Miles Fidelman wrote: > FYI: Just for perspective, I'm also old enough to remember designing > control logic for film processors used for in preparing print the > old-fashioned way (you know, half-tone separations, prepared with > screens and cameras) - and, for

Re: Ubuntu vs. Debian (was Re: Introduction)

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:30:36 -0500 Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 > > Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I > > >

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On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 22:12 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:22:30 -0500 > Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I said - there are plenty of reasons to hate word. Personally, I > > hate some of the auto-corrections it makes. > > AOL! But you can turn them off. Not p

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