On 6/21/2010 11:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors and
perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with others.
It's all about the packet load you push through the router. It's absolutely
normal for setups
Mark put forth on 6/21/2010 11:13 PM:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors
>> and
>> perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with
>> others.
>>
>> It's all about the packet loa
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> Thus, with the same router, I could take a few different *nix OS flavors
> and
> perl versions, blowing up the router with some, and not denting it with
> others.
>
> It's all about the packet load you push through the router. It's
> absol
Mark put forth on 6/21/2010 1:20 PM:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
>
>>
>> I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
>>
>> Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
>>
>> If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the modem/router.
On Monday 21 June 2010 23:38:21 Mark wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
> > As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
> > Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
> > very quickly, some (read windoze) have slow IO subs
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
> As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
> Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
> very quickly, some (read windoze) have slow IO subsystems and so do
> not send multiple connection req
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:43:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
snip.
> From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a torrent) over
> the wireless connection works fine with XP and with UNR. It's just some
> form of straight Debian where torrent do
On 06/21/2010 03:37 PM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
> As to why this happens at all. Not all operating systems are equal.
> Some systems can send bucket loads of new connections down the line
> very quickly, some (read windoze) have slow IO subsystems and so do
> not send multiple connection requests anywhe
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
>>
>> Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
>>
>> If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the modem/router.
>>
>
> How can this be true when th
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Tim Clewlow wrote:
>
> I would still like to know the answer to one simple question.
>
> Does restarting the modem/router bring the network back up?
>
> If the answer is yes, then the problem is on the modem/router.
>
How can this be true when the same machine,
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:24 AM, ABS Doug wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark wrote:
>>
>> > Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since
>> that
>> would
>> > point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means
>> the
>> problemo
>> > is with the to
Dne, 21. 06. 2010 15:44:47 je Ron Johnson napisal(a):
The why does it succeed when XP is the client, and for me when the
torrent is "non-pirate"?
Well, for one, XP is a castrated OS (the notorious limit on concurrent
'half-open' connections being just one of its many self-imposed
limit
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:24 AM, ABS Doug wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark wrote:
>
> > Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that
> would
> > point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the
> problemo
> > is with the torrent software.
>
On 06/21/2010 07:22 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote:
2010/6/21 ABS Doug:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the problem.
However, two other torrents I've
2010/6/21 ABS Doug :
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
>> the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the problem.
>>
>> However, two other torrents I've downloaded (both "legally" on torr
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Lets not forget that my *wired* system crapped out at 86% while downloading
> the torrent he supplied. Bouncing my WRT56GL solved the problem.
>
> However, two other torrents I've downloaded (both "legally" on torrent)
> downloaded just fine.
On 06/21/2010 03:00 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/21/2010 2:36 AM:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky wireless)
was the reaso
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a torrent) over the
> wireless connection works fine with XP and with UNR. It's just some form of
> straight Debian where torrent downloads fail.
XP & UNR 9.10 work, Debian & UNE 10.04
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Mark wrote:
> Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that would
> point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the problemo
> is with the torrent software.
Iceweasel, jigdo both worked. Also I've tried I think 5 differen
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/21/2010 2:36 AM:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
>>> he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
>>> resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky wireless)
>>> was the reason.
>>>
>>
>> From what I can reme
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
>> he won't be able to get the 4.4G iso file without pausing and
>> resuming, if a misconfigured networking enviroment (or flaky wireless)
>> was the reason.
>>
>
> From what I can remember of his claims, it (downloading a torrent) over t
>
> On 6/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
>
>>
>> no, we don't want download managers here.
>> we are trying to isolate the cause of the problem.
>>
>
Exactly. I'm hoping his dvd download via Iceweasel fails, since that would
point directly to a driver issue. If it succeeds, that means the pro
On 6/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer "pause"
(or dropped connection) and "resume".
no, we d
On 06/20/2010 11:30 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer "pause"
(or dropped connection) and "resume".
no, we
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
> If you use Iceweasel for downloading, try the Firefox add-on Downthemall for
> management of downloads. I use and recommend it. Mainly for safer "pause"
> (or dropped connection) and "resume".
no, we don't want download managers here.
we ar
On 6/20/2010 11:18 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 6/20/2010 4:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out what jiado is. Also I've never
did a DL through Iceweasel& was trying to figure that out to. Then I
got distracted& forgot. I'm about to go& try a download of Ubuntu
via torrent
Huang, Tao put forth on 6/20/2010 10:27 AM:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
>>
>>> $ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
>>> 111
>>
>> You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
>>
>> net
On 6/20/2010 4:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
I'm sorry, I was trying to figure out what jiado is. Also I've never
did a DL through Iceweasel& was trying to figure that out to. Then I
got distracted& forgot. I'm about to go& try a download of Ubuntu
via torrent to see if I have an issue. If you want
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:59 AM, ABS Doug wrote:
> Yes, quite right, a DVD. Now which one?
download this one [1] with iceweasel and see if it fails or encounters
any glitch.
[1]:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-504-amd64-DVD-1.iso
Tao
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Mark wrote:
>
> Ubuntu download might be too small to test, that's why I suggested a dvd
> download. The logic is, if you can download large files on the same OS but
> from a different software platform like jigdo or Iceweasel, you've isolated
> the problem to be
On 06/20/2010 08:07 PM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Nope, since that also returns tcp6 packets. This does it simplest:
$ netstat -ant4
so you are not taking use of ipv6 p2p.
Should I be? After all, my ISP only uses IPv4 for consumer HSI.
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> Nope, since that also returns tcp6 packets. This does it simplest:
> $ netstat -ant4
so you are not taking use of ipv6 p2p.
Tao
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On Sunday 20 June 2010 18:06:37 ABS Doug wrote:
> Downloading Ubuntu through Iceweasel went fine... thing is it went SO
> fast, I'm not sure it's really a good test.
FYI, this effectively rules out the MTU issues I suggested earlier,
so it was a useful test for that.
The multi-OS character wo
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:42 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
>
> >If you want to provide more
> > info re: jiado & DL through Iceweasel, I'll try it!
>
It's "jigdo", and it's a great way to download big files for Debian. It's
the only thing I use to down
Downloading Ubuntu through Iceweasel went fine... thing is it went SO
fast, I'm not sure it's really a good test.
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:39 PM, ABS Doug wrote:
>If you want to provide more
> info re: jiado & DL through Iceweasel, I'll try it!
Sorry, I got what you mean DL through Iceweasel... doing it now,
downloading Ubuntu.
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On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Mark wrote:
> My previous reply:
>
> Nuno mentioned looking at your hardware, and it's possible the drivers are
> different in the Ubuntu/XP/Debian platforms that's causing the dropout. Is
> it only with torrents, or is it all downloads? What if you download a d
On 06/20/2010 10:27 AM, Huang, Tao wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
$ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
netstat -an | grep ^tcp\
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
>
>> $ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
>> 111
>
> You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
>
> netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep ":"[6][8,9][0-9][0-9] |
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:58 AM:
> $ netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep -v LISTEN | wc -l
> 111
You might get a more accurate count of BitTorrent connections with:
netstat -an | grep ^tcp\ | grep ":"[6][8,9][0-9][0-9] | grep -c -v LISTEN
Your command line merely shows all TCP connecti
On 6/20/2010 1:34 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
try using fewer. Beyond abo
I'm just curious since ABS Doug didn't reply to my suggestions, have you
read my reply? Here is the pertinent info below. It's clearly not a
hardware problem, on the computer or router, since other OS's work fine.
My previous reply:
Nuno mentioned looking at your hardware, and it's possible the
On 06/20/2010 01:44 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM:
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lo
Ron Johnson put forth on 6/20/2010 1:34 AM:
> On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
>> best guess. It's just a suggestion.
>>
>> I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
>> try usi
On 06/20/2010 12:50 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
[snip]
Throttling is just one possibility, and maybe (probably) not even the
best guess. It's just a suggestion.
I think throttling is more likely if you open lots of connections, so
try using fewer. Beyond about four, you won't see much improvement if
On 6/20/2010 12:04 AM, ABS Doug wrote:
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando
wrote:
Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My
isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all
when protocol encryption is turned on.
Thing
On 6/19/2010 11:49 PM, Mihira Fernando wrote:
On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and
should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs,
torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and worse.
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Mihira Fernando
wrote:
> Do they throttle torrents when protocol encryption is enabled as well ? My
> isp here does the same thing with unencrypted torrents but no issues at all
> when protocol encryption is turned on.
Thing is, if I'm getting throttled, how com
On 06/20/2010 09:51 AM, Mark Allums wrote:
I agree, in an ideal universe, torrents are a great innovation, and
should be the standard method. Alas, in many places, by many ISPs,
torrents are punished, throttled to the point of uselessness and worse.
Do they throttle torrents when protocol enc
> My conclusion would be: some time has to
> be spent to learn ins and outs of debian first. Next, to learn
> how torrent works, including reading rfc or whatever similar.
> Last, choose the application people use and help on forums or
> irc channel.
Or just used Windows. I mean it works & it woul
On 6/19/2010 9:51 AM, Zoran Kolic wrote:
Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be
throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of
Ubuntu would make.
Huh! It is much easier when one makes proper visualisation
of the protocols involved into the task.
> Torrents are trouble. Avoid them, if practical. Your ISP may be
> throttling them, although I can't see what difference the version of
> Ubuntu would make.
> However, if a Windows client works, then ask yourself if you need Linux
> for other things, or whether Windows will suit your needs.
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