> "Paul" == Paul McHale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> I also agree we need configuration GUIs in Linux. If you still
Paul> enjoy the endless research to execute a simple command, by all
Paul> means don't use the GUI. There are many times when I need a
Paul> administrative task done more
Art Lemasters wrote:
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> BTW, I recently worked a contract for a corporation that uses
> nothing but NT servers and workstations. The machines were rebooted
> every two or three days, and complete images were installed to them
> once a week or more. Granted, though, the employees ther
Those who want to build Debian Linux systems for simple users
may do so. The tools to do so exist. Some systems could be built
for such users, some to accomodate NT admins. and yet others for and
by UNIX admins.
BTW, I recently worked a contract for a corporation that uses
nothing but N
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Simon Martin wrote:
>I am still adamant that any attempt to paint Linux as an out of the box
>solution
> with no prior knowledge is a real danger to the on-going comercial success of
> Linux. I worked in tech-support for Xerox for about 7
> years (Xerox used to sell Apple Mac, IBM PS/2 and Dell
Hello!
Again some criticism about your opinions...
>Ok, ok, I sit corrected in several respects, but I am still adamant that
any attempt to paint Linux as an out of the box solution
>with no prior knowledge is a real danger to the on-going comercial success
of Linux. I worked in tech-support for
Ok, ok, I sit corrected in several respects, but I am still adamant that any
attempt to paint Linux as an out of the box solution
with no prior knowledge is a real danger to the on-going comercial success of
Linux. I worked in tech-support for Xerox for about 7
years (Xerox used to sell Apple Mac
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Simon Martin wrote:
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> Ok, so this is my 2 cents worth.
>
> GUI utilities are ok, command line utilities are ok, simple dialogs
> are ok, this is not the issue. The real issue is not to fall into the
> Microsoft or RedHat
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason Wright
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
JW> Also, I spend a lot of time in my job working on servers on the
JW> other side of the world, hidden behind slow, overloaded WAN links.
JW> Sure I *can* (and sometimes do) use ssh to run GUI apps on these
I kn
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Simon
> Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SM> dialogs are ok, this is not the issue. The real issue is not to
SM> fall into the Microsoft or RedHat paradigm. This is a flavour of
Hmmm... don't think so.
SM> Unix, Unix is not trivial, Unix is a fairly
Mark Brown wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:56:24AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > Info keybindings are virtually identical to Emacs, and thus don't feel
> > at all stupid to this Emacs user. In fact, I would be VERY annoyed if
>
> But consider what it used to be like - the curses info
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Ok, so this is my 2 cents worth.
GUI utilities are ok, command line utilities are ok, simple dialogs
are ok, this is not the issue. The real issue is not to fall into the
Microsoft or RedHat paradigm. This is a flavour of Unix, Unix is not
trivial, Un
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:19:37AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> It would also be sad to leave behind the Unix heritage of simple
> utilities that can pipe to each other to do useful things.
This is more than a heritage, this is a cornerstone of a useful
computing environment. I thought VMS wa
I think most people miss some important points:
- A text or graphic mode UI is some times the most effective user
interface, some times a command line driven interface is more
effective.
- Even the best of the experts is very happy if a good tool is easy to
use, so it costs less time to do
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:53:52AM -0400, Raymond A. Ingles wrote:
> 1) Allow "quick install" from floppies
> It'd be really nice to have a system for having a single package
> installed on a floppy, or set of floppies in a way where a user
> can stick the disk in, and ds
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:56:24AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Info keybindings are virtually identical to Emacs, and thus don't feel
> at all stupid to this Emacs user. In fact, I would be VERY annoyed if
But consider what it used to be like - the curses info browser was very
confusing becaus
> When trying to install debian, I am simply overwhelmed by the number
> of packages I have to deal with...
I have a solution for that problem using a setup script as follows. I
simply copy this script and a selections file into ~/deb21 after
bypassing dselect during initial
> "Keith" == Keith G Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Keith> Havoc Pennington wrote:
Havoc> For example, look at "info" or "dselect" - regardless of
Havoc> whether you personally like them, the many people that _don't_
Havoc> like them don't like them because the keystrokes are really
Havoc
Havoc Pennington wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As someone who's written lots of code toward making free Unices easier to
> use, let me just say that I think this supposed conflict between power and
> ease of use is total nonsense.
>
> Even if a tool is for power users, it can be pleasant for those users to
I'd like to repeat a suggestion made to this list over two years ago. I
loved it when I saw it, and I think it bears repeating. I saved it because
it gave what I thought was a wonderful example of user-interface design.
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.
Well... my personal oppinion surely agrees with Havoc's, and I'm just addind my
$2c...
I sure don't want to see ONLY X-friendly configuration programs, specially
because
after you get some insight on the matters this proves to be a slow, sometimes
unreliable and, sometimes, even impossible way to
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 16:53:04 -0700, Craig H. Block wrote:
> This counter productive philosophy, started by the biggest and best example
> of what software should not be and you know who I'm talking about, is
> propagating at the expense of the truly important measures. Extrapolated to
> the en
Hi,
As someone who's written lots of code toward making free Unices easier to
use, let me just say that I think this supposed conflict between power and
ease of use is total nonsense.
Even if a tool is for power users, it can be pleasant for those users to
learn and use or it can have an atrocio
On Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 04:53:04PM -0700, Craig H. Block wrote:
> After reading the last few months worth of newsletters at debian.org, I am
> concerned that the Debian project may be buying into this foolishness. My
I think that the debian project will have the best of both worlds. There will
a
I have been a Debian user for several years now. The first time I loaded it
was before the "Bo" version. I compared it to what was available at the
time and chose Debian mainly because of the installation control it offered
via dpkg and dselect. But I also preferred just about everything else
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