Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-13 Thread Rogerio Brito
On Jun 12 2000, John McBride wrote: > Rogerio Brito wrote: > > > > More professional? More canned, that is. :-) Easier to the > > newbie, perhaps? > > My customers use software, they don't install it. If I had to install > Debian as a demo, I would seriously consider refusing.

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-13 Thread John McBride
Rogerio Brito wrote: > > On Jun 10 2000, John McBride wrote: > > > > I tentatively agree. But my employer (for example) would take > > RedHat, Storm or Corel over a raw debian, simply because their > > installs are far more modern and professional. > > More professional? More canned, that

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-12 Thread Rogerio Brito
On Jun 10 2000, John McBride wrote: > kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > RedHat is a system you install many times (note: biased opinion, but > > based on upgrades 4.2 -> 5.0 -> 5.2). > > > > Debian is a system you install twice (once to learn how, once to get it > > right). > > I tentatively agree

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-12 Thread John Gould
Yes, agreed my miskake sorry. Regards JohnG 32865e97b5342e762ab140e00f3da23b - Just 'Debian' On 12 Jun 2000, John Hasler wrote: > John Gould writes: > > What I like to do when installing Debian on a new system is to follow all > > the prompts until it asks whether I would like to install one

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-12 Thread John Hasler
John Gould writes: > What I like to do when installing Debian on a new system is to follow all > the prompts until it asks whether I would like to install one of the > specified package sets or a custom install. Then select 'custom', but > don't select any packages with deselect. Re-boot and run de

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-12 Thread John Gould
Hmm, Hello John, sounds like you've had lots of problems? Well here's my two pennyworth... What I like to do when installing Debian on a new system is to follow all the prompts until it asks whether I would like to install one of the specified package sets or a custom install. Then select 'cust

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-11 Thread John McBride
Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, John McBride wrote: > > > XF86Setup will start working right. Main problem now is that when I log > > in through gdm/helix gnome, there is no wm started -- just a gray > > stipple and a single button 2 menu. sawfish is installed and conf

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-11 Thread Kerstin Hoef-Emden
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, John McBride wrote: > XF86Setup will start working right. Main problem now is that when I log > in through gdm/helix gnome, there is no wm started -- just a gray > stipple and a single button 2 menu. sawfish is installed and configured, > but not launching I guess. Any h

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-11 Thread kmself
On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 01:23:41AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > John McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Carl Fink wrote: > >> It should, I grant you, but have you tried "dpkg -S"? > > > >here's a nasty one: > > > >> expectk > >bash: expectk: command not found > > > >root> dpkg -S expectk > >dpk

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-11 Thread John McBride
Colin Watson wrote: > > John McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and > >used "apt-get update". It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an > >E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 > >slink CD ha

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Dave Bateman
Colin Watson wrote: > John McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and > >used "apt-get update". It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an > >E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 > >slink CD has

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Colin Watson
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: >On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: >> After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and >> typing "startx", I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. >> There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Colin Watson
John McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and >used "apt-get update". It failed after retreiving the pkg files with an >E: message that some package names were too long. Presumably, my 2.1 >slink CD has a version of dpkg or something

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread kmself
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > Mike Werner wrote: [...] > After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and > typing "startx", I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. > There's probably more to it, or my install has gone bad in som

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread kmself
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 04:38:35PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > Mike Werner wrote: > > > > John McBride wrote: > After running this command (update-rc.d -f gdm remove), rebooting, and > typing "startx", I get a grey stipple screen with no window manager. > There's probably more to it, or my insta

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Colin Watson
John McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Carl Fink wrote: >> It should, I grant you, but have you tried "dpkg -S"? > >here's a nasty one: > >> expectk >bash: expectk: command not found > >root> dpkg -S expectk >dpkg: *expectk* not found. Ah, here you have a different search facility ;) dpkg -S s

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread kmself
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:34:03PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > > You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are > > > too long! > > > > Sorry? Details? Never seen this. > > As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.l

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Mike Werner
John McBride wrote: > Mike Werner wrote: > > > > John McBride wrote: > > > > > Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm > > > without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't > > > simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm >

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John McBride
Mike Werner wrote: > > John McBride wrote: > > > Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm > > without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't > > simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm > > pulls helix-gnome off the system

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John McBride
Carl Fink wrote: > > It should, I grant you, but have you tried "dpkg -S"? > here's a nasty one: > expectk bash: expectk: command not found root> dpkg -S expectk dpkg: *expectk* not found. web page shows: interpreters/expect5.24 interpreters/swig root> apt-get install expect [candidates : 5.2

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John Hasler
Hans writes: > Same here: I just had my potato system working, wanted to install latex, > apt-get decides to update 63 packages and now pon/poff doesn't work > anymore. It just gives me 'pppd not started. None stopped'. Please post copies of /etc/ppp/peers/provider, /etc/chatscripts/provider, and

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Mike Werner
John McBride wrote: > Actually, I strongly prefer startx, but don't see how to disable gdm > without breaking helix-gnome -- it seems to require gdm. You can't > simply edit /etc/inittab like you can on RedHat. apt-get remove gdm > pulls helix-gnome off the system. I'll review those files. Actual

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John McBride
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > You'll ohh and ahhh as apt-get fails on package name lengths that are > > too long! > > Sorry? Details? Never seen this. As soon as I got a base system working, I updated my sources.list and used "apt-get update". It failed after retreiving the pkg files with a

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Hans
At 02:16 PM 6/10/00 -0700, John McBride wrote: >Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the >Debian distro! > Same here: I just had my potato system working, wanted to install latex, apt-get decides to update 63 packages and now pon/poff doesn't work anymore. It just give

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John McBride
Carl Fink wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > > > You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding > > out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't > > have "what-provides" or query options. > > It should, I gra

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread kmself
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the > Debian distro! Been there, done that, got the evil grin plastered all over my mug. > You'll impress your neighbors with your buff pinky muscles, built after > h

Re: The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0700, John McBride wrote: > You'll visit the debian.org site approximately 3,596,391 times finding > out what package provides a command you need...since apt-get doesn't > have "what-provides" or query options. It should, I grant you, but have you tried "dpkg -

The Thrill of Debian Gnu/Linux

2000-06-10 Thread John McBride
Yes, you too can experience the thrill of installing and upgrading the Debian distro! You'll impress your neighbors with your buff pinky muscles, built after hours of banging the living bejeesus out of the enter key to accept the default configurations for a plethora of programs you never use or a