Re: Telnet

2023-12-05 Thread Anssi Saari
First, to be in the right habit. Second >> >>> because it will do things that telnet won't, like tunnel X. >> >> >> >> Ah but will it tunnel wayland?? Enquiring minds want to know :) >> > >> > Yes. >> > >> yes h

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
> Christmas's > wish :-) Oh, you mean that. That is not telnet, that comes from the kernel. Even sleep has this. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
equivalent socat mode (say line-mode with readline editing or something). > > That > > would be a market niche, wouldn't it? > > I am not sure what you are saying: telnet does not have a line mode with > readline editing; It does have a line mode with local echo (meanin

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
gt; would be a market niche, wouldn't it? I am not sure what you are saying: telnet does not have a line mode with readline editing; anything of that kind you observe is on the server side. socat, OTOH, has. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
a LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH > DIAERESIS in ISO-8859-1. Most definitely :-) > Anyway, the treatment done by telnet is not bad per se, provided we know > (1) that they happen, (2) if we need them in our use case and (3) how to > turn them off. I guess most people who use telnet as a gen

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-04): > Which, in the case of interaction with HTTP (and most others) actually > comes in handy. Those explicit \r\n get old pretty fast... Just hope you will not need to emit a LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS in ISO-8859-1. Anyway, the treatment done by tel

Re: Look, ma no telnet [was: Telnet]

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 08:01:10PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-04): > > These days, even bash can do it: > > Zsh could years before. > > > (alas, it can't do TCP server, which is a pity) > > socat can do TCP server. And UDP client, and UDP server, and TLS/SSL > clie

Re: Look, ma no telnet [was: Telnet]

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-04): > These days, even bash can do it: Zsh could years before. > (alas, it can't do TCP server, which is a pity) socat can do TCP server. And UDP client, and UDP server, and TLS/SSL client and server, and Unix sockets, and SOCKS, and tun, and… (And zsh seems to be ab

Look, ma no telnet [was: Telnet]

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 09:23:16AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Charles Curley (12023-12-03): > > True. None the less, there is at least one perfectly good use for > > telnet: testing connections to servers. > > Wrong. The telnet client is not entirely transparent, as

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 05:32:20PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Curt (12023-12-04): > > Telnet doesn't alter the actual data being transmitted > > Yes it does, read the doc before posting wrong information here. Which, in the case of interaction with HTTP (and most other

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
Curt (12023-12-04): > I think you're buggering yet another fly here. I think you should read the docs and shut up. I know what I am saying. -- Nicolas George

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Curt
On 2023-12-04, Nicolas George wrote: > Curt (12023-12-04): >> Telnet doesn't alter the actual data being transmitted > > Yes it does, read the doc before posting wrong information here. > I think you're buggering yet another fly here.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
Curt (12023-12-04): > Telnet doesn't alter the actual data being transmitted Yes it does, read the doc before posting wrong information here. -- Nicolas George

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
Marco Moock (12023-12-04): > Is that really the case? Yes. > Other applications like telnet or vi don't care about it, so I > assume(d), it is up to the application to handle it. Applications can decide to change the mode of the tty or catch SIGINT. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Marco Moock
Am 04.12.2023 um 09:28:30 Uhr schrieb Nicolas George: > Marco Moock (12023-12-04): > > ncat also uses ^C to kill the process. > > No, this effect of ^C is part of the operating system. Is that really the case? Other applications like telnet or vi don't care about it, so I

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Curt
ncat also uses ^C to kill the process. > > Telnet doesn't alter the actual data being transmitted, which is the denotation of transparent in this context, so I think his point is ludicrously small, if inexistant.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread debian-user
gene heskett wrote: > On 12/4/23 05:22, Anssi Saari wrote: > > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: > > > >>> I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one > >>> should prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second > >>>

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023, 2:23 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Charles Curley (12023-12-03): > > True. None the less, there is at least one perfectly good use for > > telnet: testing connections to servers. > > Wrong. The telnet client is not entirely transparent, as the telnet

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On 04/12/2023 11:30, gene heskett wrote: On 12/4/23 05:22, Anssi Saari wrote: debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one should prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second because it will do things that telnet won't, like tun

Re: Firefox, was: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 4 Dec 2023, Michael Kj?rling wrote: On 4 Dec 2023 10:29 +, from debianu...@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall): Some years ago I abandoned firefox because there was no way to override one of its 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that' spasms. It's crazy that they make things like cert

Re: Firefox, was: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 4 Dec 2023 10:29 +, from debianu...@woodall.me.uk (Tim Woodall): > Some years ago I abandoned firefox because there was no way to override > one of its 'I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that' spasms. > > It's crazy that they make things like certificate pinning *impossible* > to overri

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread gene heskett
On 12/4/23 05:22, Anssi Saari wrote: debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one should prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second because it will do things that telnet won't, like tunnel X. Ah but will it tunnel wa

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 11:52:51AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: True. None the less, there is at least one perfectly good use for telnet: testing connections to servers. charles@hawk:~$ telnet hawk Trying 127.0.1.1... telnet: Unable to connect to

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Anssi Saari
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk writes: >> I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one should >> prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second because it will do >> things that telnet won't, like tunnel X. > > Ah but will it tunnel wayland?? Enquiring minds want to know :) Yes.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
Marco Moock (12023-12-04): > ncat also uses ^C to kill the process. No, this effect of ^C is part of the operating system. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Marco Moock
Am 04.12.2023 um 09:23:16 Uhr schrieb Nicolas George: > If you want to test a network protocol, you should use a really > transparent client. Traditionally people use netcat (nc), but it > handles EOF approximatively. ncat also uses ^C to kill the process.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-04 Thread Nicolas George
Charles Curley (12023-12-03): > True. None the less, there is at least one perfectly good use for > telnet: testing connections to servers. Wrong. The telnet client is not entirely transparent, as the telnet protocol defines an escape octet to introduce commands. If you want to test a n

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread debian-user
ed out aggressively, as machines > > which are currently on an isolated network might not remain there > > forever. > > I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one should > prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second because it will do > things

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
ly on an isolated network might not remain there forever. I concur, and would add that even on an isolated network one should prefer ssh. First, to be in the right habit. Second because it will do things that telnet won't, like tunnel X. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://c

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 11:52:51AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:00:44 +0100 > Marco Moock wrote: > > > > > > > How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: > > > > For me it sounded like a joke. > > > >

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:00:44 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > > > > How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: > > For me it sounded like a joke. > > Telnet is unencrypted (although it is possible to run it over TLS to > encrypt it) and SSH exists more

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Marco Moock
rday: For me it sounded like a joke. Telnet is unencrypted (although it is possible to run it over TLS to encrypt it) and SSH exists more than 20 years.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-12-02, Andy Smith wrote: > Can someone examine the list's configuration? This email from 1994 > seems to have only just been delivered. How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::

Re: Telnet

2023-12-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 09:50:00AM -0600, William Torrez Corea wrote: > My telnet not operate, try connect my laptop by means of telnet: Can someone examine the list's configuration? This email from 1994 seems to have only just been delivered. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.co

Re: Telnet

2023-12-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Dec 02, 2023 at 05:01:37PM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Am 02.12.2023 um 09:50:00 Uhr schrieb William Torrez Corea: > > > sudo telnet 192.168.1.1 Also, just for the record, there is *no* need to use sudo here.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-02 Thread Marco Moock
Am 02.12.2023 um 09:50:00 Uhr schrieb William Torrez Corea: > sudo telnet 192.168.1.1 > > Trying 192.168.1.1... > > Connected to 192.168.1.1. > > Escape character is '^]'. That means that the telnet connection was successful > > Telnet connection from 192.16

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-12-09 Thread Charles Curley
idea whose policy you refer to, so I don't know if it's policy or not. One of the main reasons telnet is deprecated is because it sends passwords in the clear, so a malevolent snooper can harvest passwords. > > A session is routinely opened with xterm, gnome-terminal, lxterm and &

Bullying; was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-12-09 Thread peter
#codeofconduct . > They didn't even bother putting a comment in the script, ... ## telnet ... is a comment. Although ## is styled as formal syntax. Why not just prefix the telnet line with "#" and add a comment such as # telnet is commented out in case you installed it but

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-11 Thread tomas
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 01:59:07PM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > [...] > > Ideally the syntax > > required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site. > > What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property > of

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-11 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 04:00 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: [...] > Ideally the syntax > required for correct threading would be posted in the debian site. What's it got to do with Debian? Correct email threading is a property of the email clients the senders and receivers of emails use. You'd ho

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-11 Thread peter
From: David Wright Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:12:45 -0500 > Maybe sometime you'd explain why you prefer telnet to ssh. Several years ago ssh was about 15-20 s connecting whereas telnet required less than a second. Consequently I adopted the habit of using telnet with a password. Re

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-10 Thread David Wright
On Thu 10 Oct 2019 at 06:48:16 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Incidently the hyperlinks in my reply to Charles Curley > ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/10/msg00479.html ) seem OK. > The list server is is flummoxed when there are more than 2 or 3 or 4 > References? Then I should

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-10 Thread David Wright
quot; with the two sentences in apposition in order to contrast the choices you said you have available: "Protocols Telnet and SSH are available;…" Maybe sometime you'd explain why you prefer telnet to ssh. Perhaps you could also restate where you had got to in this thread. I assu

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-10 Thread Brian
f any issue. > Recency is minded but shouldn't dictate. Fair enough. > > sshd is ... secure. > > This scenario is in one machine which is running shorewall. The LAN > has another firewall. What are the risks to the telnet protocol in > this case? netcat (which I use very

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-10 Thread peter
LAN has another firewall. What are the risks to the telnet protocol in this case? > Why would you be typing a password after typing ssh localhost? > Just type: > > $ cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Valid point. Incidently the hyperlinks in my reply to Charles

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread David Wright
; > shell. So it would help our understanding if you were to explain > > what your use case is for this new interactive shell session. > > Oberon has a client for protocol Telnet and a client for SSH. bash, > dash, sudo, rlogin and many other tools don't exist in Oberon.

Re: Subject: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread Charles Curley
td in a > Debian system. > > This illustrates why I tried to avoid mention of Oberon at the > outset. It's a distraction, not essential to the question. The > telnet client might also be in MS Windows running in QEMU in the > debian system or in FreeDOS in QEMU in the debian s

Subject: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread peter
It's a distraction, not essential to the question. The telnet client might also be in MS Windows running in QEMU in the debian system or in FreeDOS in QEMU in the debian system. They might provide analogous contexts. But the question was about the telnetd server in debian; not about

Threading; was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread peter
DISCLAIMER & WARNING: Threading may still be incorrect. Tempting as this message might be, if incorrect threading upsets you please stop reading. =8~) To my understanding In-Reply-To and References were added to the earlier message correctly but the list server put them in the Web based mess

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread Charles Curley
asked just what you are trying to do, and all you have done is obfuscate the matter. If you want to have multiple shell sessions on the same account on the same computer, telnet is at best an unnecessary complication and at worst a security nightmare. If you are running a GUI, most desktop en

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-09 Thread peter
e case is for this new interactive shell session. Oberon has a client for protocol Telnet and a client for SSH. bash, dash, sudo, rlogin and many other tools don't exist in Oberon. I avoided discussing this deliberately. For most readers it's an annoying digression; for some will caus

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-04 Thread peter
authentication. Can telnet > > work similarly? > ... no-one has a clue what the actual question ... When quoting my question you must have read it. > lxterminal runs a GUI application on your host. It > uses libc so that your CPU can communicate directly with > your keyboa

Re: Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread David
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 14:20, David wrote: [...] Sorry, I didn't see this had already been discussed. (broken threading, gmail interface, didn't read everything before sending anything)

Re: Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread David
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 05:38, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Threading is broken, as usual. > > This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header: > > > > From: pe...@easthope.ca > > > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586 > > > To: debian

Breaking the mail thread. Was: Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Hopefully this is readable. Reco wrote: > Threading is broken, as usual. This is probably due to extra characters in the "References:" header: > > From: pe...@easthope.ca > > X-Mailer: Oberon Mail (ejz) on LinuxA2 Gen. 32-bit, rev.8586 > > To: debian-use

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:52:51AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hopefully this is readable. It is. Threading is broken, as usual. > > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above. > > Ie. > > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread tomas
cho" command above. > > Ie. > > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash' >> /etc/inetd.conf > > To my understanding that would wipe out all the other services. > I read your instr

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread peter
Hopefully this is readable. From: Reco , Wed, 2 Oct 2019 09:45:12 +0300 > No, it should not be there because it disables telnetd this way. Thanks. > Hence aforementioned "echo" command above. Ie. > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > /

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Curt
On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote: >> On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: >> > >> > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the >> > illustrious Mr. Owlett is i

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 01:40:51 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David wrote: > > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. > > I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Thanks, I needed

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:55:29PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the > > illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled, > >

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, October 01, 2019 11:08:09 AM Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000 > David wrote: > > Hello David, > > >I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't > >meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished, > >I press "delete" ins

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Curt
On 2019-10-02, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > So, I'm done with you. I'm adding you to the same file that the > illustrious Mr. Owlett is in, so I never have to read your mangled, > nonsensical crap again. > Aren't you delivering the right messag

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 09:45:12AM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > > ## telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/b

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread Reco
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:12:42PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco , Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:48:09 +0300 > > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash' >> /etc/inetd.conf > > peter

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread peter
From: Reco Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:26:35 +0300 > apt install inetutils-telnetd openbsd-inetd root@joule:~# dpkg -l | grep inet ii inetutils-telnetd2:1.9.4-7 i386 telnet server ii openbsd-inetd0.2016082

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 07:40:51PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > David wrote: > > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. > > I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Thanks

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 10:42:20AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > Try it: > > > > 1) apt install inetutils-inetd openbsd-inetd > > Debian 10 allows me to install one or the other but not both. > I removed inetutils-inetd and installed openbsd-inetd. There's this saying here inv

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread peter
e to install one or the other but not both. I removed inetutils-inetd and installed openbsd-inetd. > 2) echo 'telnet stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd > /usr/sbin/telnetd -a none -E /bin/bash' > /etc/inetd.conf peter@joule:~$ dpkg -l | grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf t

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David wrote: > > Oh dear, I'm sorry again, this time for mixing you up with Thomas! to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I can't know how Thomas feels about it. I regularly run whoami to avoid any local confusion. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:57:34AM +1000, David wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > > > > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :) > > > No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is > > far less grumpy than me

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread David
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:49, wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > > You are Mr "have a nice day" after all :) > No, that is Thomas (our names are pretty similar, but he is > far less grumpy than me and besides he has quite a bit of > free software out there to show :

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:29:01AM +1000, David wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > > > > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...] > > I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence > above, I did

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:54:19 +1000 David wrote: Hello David, >I've written a few shitty messages to this list too, when people don't >meet my expectations of behaviour. But usually when I'm finished, >I press "delete" instead of "send", and then find something fun to Been there, done that. Quit

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread David
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 01:16, wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > > I've written a few shitty messages to this list too [...] I'm sorry, the word "too" should not appear in my sentence above, I did not notice that it carries implications that I did not intend, please

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 12:54:19AM +1000, David wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > Why in the hell [...] > > > Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...] > > > Thanks for trying :) > > I agree that polit

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread David
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:57, wrote: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Why in the hell [...] > Now try in a more polite and friendly way. [...] > Thanks for trying :) I agree that polite and friendly is the goal. I see that a polite way was tried already by s

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread tomas
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52:48AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Why in the hell is anyone running telnetd in 2019? > > What is the PURPOSE of this idiocy? To recreate that 1992 feeling? For > nostalgia? Now try in a more polite and friendly way. Then you'd have a chance of achieving so

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-10-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:09AM +0300, Reco wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user > > # Restart inetd. Why

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-30 Thread Reco
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 09:36:51PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. > > OK. > peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf > telnet stream tcp nowait root

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-30 Thread peter
From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > telnetd(8), "-a" and "-L" parameters. OK. peter@joule:~$ grep telnet /etc/inetd.conf telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd -a user # Restart inetd. Then the result from telnet to loca

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-30 Thread mick crane
y to get confused because your posting style is incredibly difficult to follow. You break threads and give very little detail. Help us to help you. > ... telnet opens in about 1 s. ... ssh requires about 15 s. If your SSH takes 15 seconds to connect to localhost then you have a configuration

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-30 Thread Andy Smith
ause your posting style is incredibly difficult to follow. You break threads and give very little detail. Help us to help you. > > ... telnet opens in about 1 s. ... ssh requires about 15 s. If your SSH takes 15 seconds to connect to localhost then you have a configuration issue. As a first

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Andy Smith wrote: > > Is it a case that the hosts you are dealing with are too > underpowered CPU-wise to cope with SSH's encryption? > For what it's worth, I used to routinely SSH in to an appliance running on an extremely underpowered CPU (by today's standards), a 30 MHz MIPS core. The initia

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread David
28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably > faster than competitors. I now notice that the reason that &quo

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread Reco
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 14:43 +1000, David wrote: [...] > A final puzzle is that I vaguely recall from other > messages that you use something named Oberon. It came up in the discussion of why he breaks threads every time he posts to this list. The X-Mailer header in his emails says 'Oberon Mail' an

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread David
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 01:33, wrote: > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet > work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. Ok, the guessing game contin

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread peter
haw.ca Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:03:50 -0700 > ... telnet opens in about 1 s. ... ssh requires about 15 s. Any computer built since 1990 should be able to run a plain old terminal session. Regards, ... P. -- https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Medical_Machines Tel: +1 604

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread Andy Smith
hines > before SSH was invented: rlogin. Oh, I see now that you were interested in passwordless equivalent of "telnet localhost". It is confusing why you would need to do this to localhost as you could just type "bash" (or dash or zsh or whatever) to get a new shell. So it

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:36:02PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Reco > > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? > > An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal > efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticea

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-29 Thread peter
From: Reco Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:23:45 +0300 > I have to ask - what are you trying to achieve? An interactive shell session with minimal overhead. (Or maximal efficiency.) The telnet client in the Oberon subsystem is noticeably faster than competitors. > ... your request seems

Re: Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 08:15:07AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, > LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet > work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds

Authentication for telnet.

2019-09-28 Thread peter
Opening a terminal emulator in default configuration on localhost, LXTerminal for example, doesn't require authentication. Can telnet work similarly? Ie. "telnet localhost" succeeds without login. Can this be accomplished by configuration of PAM ? Thanks,

Re: debian 6 ssh telnet not working

2016-09-25 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 02:25:47PM -0400, Dave Cullins wrote: > Hello > > I am using Debian 6 for my server. Debian _6_? As in Squeeze? (if I remember right, given Jessie is 8) > > SSH & telnet are not working, they both used to work. Router setting look > good and

Re: debian 6 ssh telnet not working

2016-09-25 Thread Brian
On Sun 25 Sep 2016 at 14:25:47 -0400, Dave Cullins wrote: > I am using Debian 6 for my server. > > SSH & telnet are not working, they both used to work. Router setting look > good and were confirmed by the Linksys support. You are using Jessie on the client? Now they do no

debian 6 ssh telnet not working

2016-09-25 Thread Dave Cullins
Hello I am using Debian 6 for my server. SSH & telnet are not working, they both used to work. Router setting look good and were confirmed by the Linksys support. when i try to telnet to my server i get "Connection Refused By Host" can you advise or forward me to a resource Thx Dave

Re: Undocumented telnet access to Brother HL-2280DW

2013-12-30 Thread Celejar
e > > is embedded therein, or if it tries to download it from somewhere. I > > ran strings against it, but couldn't find anything for '23' or 'telnet': > > > > http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public/us/us_ot/en/dlf/download_index.html?reg

Re: Undocumented telnet access to Brother HL-2280DW

2013-12-30 Thread Celejar
20:00, Reco wrote: > > > > So, no luck. Maybe it requires some engineering password first. > > > > I used to have a Brother inkjet MFP, and had also considered a > laser-based MFP. Both the devices I looked at stated, in their > manuals, that Telnet could be used,

Re: Undocumented telnet access to Brother HL-2280DW

2013-12-30 Thread Reco
I > ran strings against it, but couldn't find anything for '23' or 'telnet': > > http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public/us/us_ot/en/dlf/download_index.html?reg=us&c=us_ot&lang=en&prod=hl2280dw_us&type2=4&os=all&flang=all&dlid

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