On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 02:49:47PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> I (for one) am very interested to hear what about
> people experiences, recommendations (or lack thereof) concerning tape
> backup software.
As you may have guessed from my earlier post to the thread, I swear
by aman
the point where we must agree to
> > disagree about the best way to back up enterprise databases.
>
> Agreed. Now, would it be possible to get back to the original topic "tape
> backup software". I (for one) am very interested to hear what about
> people experiences, rec
databases.
> Agreed. Now, would it be possible to get back to the original topic "tape
> backup software". I (for one) am very interested to hear what about
> people experiences, recommendations (or lack thereof) concerning tape
> backup software. I don't care much for
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya petro
Morning.
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Petro wrote:
> > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:34AM -0700, Peter Whysall wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > > > --- if the disks is raid5'd ...
On 21 May 2002 14:31:02 -0500
"Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think we're well past the point where we must agree to
> disagree about the best way to back up enterprise databases.
Agreed. Now, would it be possible to get back to the original topic &quo
On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 03:05, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> hi ya ron
>
> > And I'll be bringing home my greater-than-terabyte-sized
> > enterprise database (to poke around with it..) some time in
> > the near future??? Not likely.
>
> it fits in a itty bitty "2u" cases...
> - 2 or more of um for
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:05:46AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> i wouldn't give "backups" to people
> ( when the backups contain user passwds and
> ( financial data or other sensitive stuff...
Encrypt the backup, so you don't have to worry about it as much.
Yeah, some folks have the
hi ya ron
> And I'll be bringing home my greater-than-terabyte-sized
> enterprise database (to poke around with it..) some time in
> the near future??? Not likely.
it fits in a itty bitty "2u" cases...
- 2 or more of um for redundancy/reliability
> Besides, I don't have a $3M Alpha w
On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 00:04, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
>
> hi ya petro
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Petro wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:34AM -0700, Peter Whysall wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > > > --- if the disks is raid5'd ... give one disk
> > > >
hi ya petro
On Mon, 20 May 2002, Petro wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:34AM -0700, Peter Whysall wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > > --- if the disks is raid5'd ... give one disk
> > > --- to each of the CEO/CFO/CTO/foo/bar and no one user
>
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 02:25:59AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya
> a nice picture of what causes a system to fail... disks or ???
> http://www.Linux-1U.net/Disks/Disk_Failure.gif
> ( its from an IDC survey )
> ( the picture stolen/copied from
> http://safersite.net/NSS15AFaultToleran
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:34AM -0700, Peter Whysall wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > --- if the disks is raid5'd ... give one disk
> > --- to each of the CEO/CFO/CTO/foo/bar and no one user
> > --- has all the data... no way for stea
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 05:24:55PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 160GB ide disks is $150-$200 range... cheap...
> - 1Terabyte of backup in one 1u chassis.. no problem...
> and i do compressed backups of up to 3 or 6 months... dpeending
> on diskspace they willing ot buy and user data
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 03:52:54PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> Doesn't Amanda require a "backup" partition?
Amanda likes to have holding disks to work from, but I don't think
you're absolutely required to have one.
> Doesn't the partition also
> need to be the size of your largest backup tar
hi ya
a nice picture of what causes a system to fail... disks or ???
http://www.Linux-1U.net/Disks/Disk_Failure.gif
( its from an IDC survey )
( the picture stolen/copied from
http://safersite.net/NSS15AFaultTolerantUsersStoragePowerandNetworks.htm
- but it seems they m
hi ya peter
> > - a tape is 40 - 80GB same as disks ... nowdays disks is
> > always slightly higher capacity
>
> You're behind the curve. AIT3 and SDLT offer capacities of ~200GB per
> tape.
yuppers gave up when tapes was 80GB and the mammoth tape drives
was $7K each... and e
On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> hi ya ron
>
> On 19 May 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > You and I must think on different scales...
>
> think its similar scales..
> - different ways to skin the cat...
>
> - a tape is 40 - 80GB same as disks ... nowdays disks is
> a
hi ya ron
On 19 May 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:
> You and I must think on different scales...
think its similar scales..
- different ways to skin the cat...
- a tape is 40 - 80GB same as disks ... nowdays disks is
always slightly higher capacity
- there was a time when a
You and I must think on different scales...
30 days worth of the 155GB database that I manage, plus
the 40GB of flat files == 5.8TB
30 days worth of the 80GB database that I manage, plus
the 20GB of flat files == 2.4TB
30 days of the 1.5TB disk space that my co-worker manages
plus 200GB of flat
hi ya ron
> [snip]
> > - tons of problems with tapes for "large amount of data"...
>
> You get what you pay for. At work, we use DLTs, and _never_
> have problems, as long as we run the cleaning tape weekly.
> Part of the reason is that DLT drives are made well, and another
> reason is that
On Sun, 2002-05-19 at 18:18, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> hi ya
[snip]
> - tons of problems with tapes for "large amount of data"...
You get what you pay for. At work, we use DLTs, and _never_
have problems, as long as we run the cleaning tape weekly.
Part of the reason is that DLT drives are made
hi ya
i thought amanda needed "temp space for it to backup its file to go to
backup" .. ie.. if you backing up 100GB of user data ... you need another
100GB of space too ... before it goes to the final backup media ( tape ? )
- 1TB in some cases of backups ...
-- tar is a time tested be
On 19 May 2002 13:58:29 -0500
"Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a big fan of Amanda, which uses tar or dump to backup as many remote
> machines as you want to a central backup server.
Doesn't Amanda require a "backup" partition? Doesn't the partition also
need to be the size of
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» Which tape backup software is considered the best? I not really
» considering commericial products, b
At 2002-05-19T15:26:26Z, Michael Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Which tape backup software is considered the best? I not really
> considering commericial products, but I'd like to stick to one of the
> following: dump, tar, cpio, pax
I'm a big fan of Amanda,
On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:26:26AM -0500, Michael Madden wrote:
> Which tape backup software is considered the best? I not really
> considering commericial products, but I'd like to stick to one of the
> following: dump, tar, cpio, pax
>
> I will be backing up ext2 and ext3 f
Which tape backup software is considered the best? I not really
considering commericial products, but I'd like to stick to one of the
following: dump, tar, cpio, pax
I will be backing up ext2 and ext3 filesystems to a DDS4 tape drive
on the local machine. Is any of the prementioned b
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:59:48AM +0100, Stephen J . Thompson wrote:
>
> Can anyone recomend some tape backup software for a DAT drive? I need
> software that can allow backups to span multiple tapes.
You want amanda. It's spread across a few packages in Debian:
amanda-common,
on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:59:48AM +0100, Stephen J. Thompson ([EMAIL
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> Hello all,
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> Can anyone recomend some tape backup software for a DAT drive? I need
> software that can allow backups t
Stephen J.Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can anyone recomend some tape backup software for a DAT drive? I need
> software that can allow backups to span multiple tapes.
Well, the obvious answer is tar (has a --multi-volume option).
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Hello all,
Can anyone recomend some tape backup software for a DAT drive? I need
software that can allow backups to span multiple tapes.
Thanks.
Regards,
Stephen.
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Thanks for everyone's input, this gives me some good places to start!
Kelly
dave brookshire wrote:
>
> On the open source side of things, I'm a big fan of Amanda. You can
> find the original source and stuff at ftp://ftp.cs.umd.edu/pub/amanda, or
> at http://www.amanda.org/.
>
> On the closed
On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 09:04:53AM -0600, Gary Hennigan wrote:
> "Andrew McRobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I have to say that i find that "tar" covers all bases pretty well ...
> > depends what you're used to I guess.
>
> There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, yo
>>>>> "Kelly" == Kelly Corbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kelly> Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am
Kelly> looking for tape backup software and was wondering if anyone
Kelly> knew which was the "best". Any input woul
On 25 Jul 2000, Riku Saikkonen wrote:
> Has anyone tried recovering damaged .tar.bz2 files? Any success /
> failure?
Hi, guys. Here's what I did:
# cd /tmp
# tail -c 1048576 /dev/hda > t.bulk.o
# cat t.bulk.o | bzip2 -1 > t.bulk.bz2
# echo "Damage string to insert before actual bz2 image" > tm
"Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Has anyone tried recovering damaged .tar.bz2 files? Any success /
> > failure?
I'd also like to know about this.
> > (By the way, there is also afio, which is a command-line tool like tar
> > but compresses one file at a time. The format, of course,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Riku Saikkonen) writes:
> "Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, you
> >don't want to use software compression with tar. Tar compresses
> >globally, which means that the whole of the archive is considered o
"Gary Hennigan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, you
>don't want to use software compression with tar. Tar compresses
>globally, which means that the whole of the archive is considered one
>big compressed file. If something happens to th
Gary Hennigan wrote:
> There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, you
> don't want to use software compression with tar.
In addition, you should have some sort of verification that the data
written to tape is actually good. I personally have used BRU for over 5
years. Very
"Andrew McRobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have to say that i find that "tar" covers all bases pretty well ...
> depends what you're used to I guess.
There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, you
don't want to use software compression with tar. Tar compresses
globall
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Subject: Re: Tape backup software?
Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Tar!
> -chris
>
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Kelly Corbin wrote:
>
> > Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am looking
> > for tape backup software and was wonderi
Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Tar!
> -chris
>
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Kelly Corbin wrote:
>
> > Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am looking
> > for tape backup software and was wondering if anyone knew which was th
Tar!
-chris
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Kelly Corbin wrote:
> Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am looking
> for tape backup software and was wondering if anyone knew which was the
> "best". Any input would be appreciated. It would be for an ATAPI
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 04:43:42PM -0500, Kelly Corbin wrote:
> Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am looking
> for tape backup software and was wondering if anyone knew which was the
> "best". Any input would be appreciated. It would be for an ATAPI
Has anyone had much experience w/ tape backup in Linux? I am looking
for tape backup software and was wondering if anyone knew which was the
"best". Any input would be appreciated. It would be for an ATAPI tape
backup drive. THAN
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