Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:2227+0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 16:29:53 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > > > On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real > > > machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems > > > upgra

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 16:29:53 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote: > > > Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real > > machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems > > upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1827+0100, Brian wrote: > Apart from using a Beta 1 D-I i386 netinst and installing to a real > machine I did the same as you a couple of days ago. No problems > upgrading to unstable. Far be it for me to suggest any bugs in qemu > or kvm, but we do have quite a difference in our experi

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread lee
David Baron writes: > Aside from that, systemd works great, is lightening-fast, had no problems > with > it! So why all the fuss. That an init system is being replaced is not even scratching the surface of the issue, partly because of issues the init system intended to replace the existing one

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 12:16:44 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep21:1618+0100, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > > > > You didn't accept an upgrade to the new default init system. But you > > accepted the new sysvinit package. > > Yes, after syst

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1618+0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > > You didn't accept an upgrade to the new default init system. But you > accepted the new sysvinit package. Yes, after systemd broke the system as described in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrep

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1544+0100, Martin Read wrote: > Shorter, but incorrect and unsafe. On Debian jessie and later (and thus, by > extension, the current state of Debian sid), /sbin/init means "the currently > installed default init system". As such, it is not the correct way to set up > a fallback configur

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Brian
On Sun 21 Sep 2014 at 09:47:32 -0400, David L. Craig wrote: > On 14Sep21:1604+0300, David Baron wrote: > > > > And if a > > boot command "init=/lib/sysvinit/init" will definitely yield a fallback > > (have > > it in my lilo.conf but have not actually needed to tried it), then maybe > > this

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread Martin Read
On 21/09/14 14:47, David L. Craig wrote: Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system, so far, so good: # dpkg -S /lib/sysvinit/init sysvinit: /lib/sysvinit/init # dpkg -S /sbin/init sysvinit-core: /sbin/init # cmp /lib/sysvinit/init /sbin/init This only needs to be checked after mai

Re: Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Sep21:1604+0300, David Baron wrote: > > And if a > boot command "init=/lib/sysvinit/init" will definitely yield a fallback (have > it in my lilo.conf but have not actually needed to tried it), then maybe this > can be laid to rest. Well, do your due dilligence. On my primary Sid system,

Systemd, systemd, and more systemd ...

2014-09-21 Thread David Baron
Seems to be dominating a good part of the list traffic. Personal history: I never had qualms about upgrading the old sysv stuff. If something did not work, it was some script which I could a least try to fix. The whole init sequence was RUNPARTS off various run-level directories containing appr