Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Lisi
On Friday 04 May 2012 06:16:52 Bret Busby wrote: > It could simply be malicious web sites. > > I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using > konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing > Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just > fre

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 03 May 2012 03:48:59 -0400 (EDT), Claudius Hubig wrote: > > Stephen Powell wrote: >> It is my understanding that, >> assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition >> should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM. >> Suspend/resume will consume a RAM's worth right out

Re: Swap space not used (problem website)

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 16:34, Bret Busby wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> >> On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> Works just as well in iceweasel 12.0.1 with NoScript fully enabled. >> Ditto Konqueror 4.4.5 >> > > Hmm. > > It does work in iceweasel 3.5.16, with Javascript di

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just freezes konquero

Re: Swap space not used (now screen relics).

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:30, Bret Busby wrote: >> > > And, Iceweasel (and it may have happened with the iceape browser; I am > not sure - have not used it for a couple of weeks, now, I think) has a > habit of leaving fragments of dialogue boxes on top of everything else > on the desktop, hiding parts of

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: > > I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using > konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing > Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just > freezes konqueror, requiring me to use the kill switc

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: Perhaps, on installation, the creation of a file to store the original information about the installation (iso image source, full version number and date of version, etc), that could be retrieved any time

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 04:54, Bret Busby wrote: Out of interest, with you saying that swapping is not mandatory, from memory, about 20-odd years ago, when I started learning (formally) about operating systems, we were told that UNIX has a memory requirement

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and se

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: > If some utility > existed that would display the source of an iso image, and the full > version number of the source iso image, it would be good. # mount -o loop debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso /mnt # cat /mnt/.disk/info Debian GNU/Linux testing "Wheezy" -

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Dom
On 04/05/12 02:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with much

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Rick Thomas wrote: > Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp > into tmpfs. Yes. The new trend for tmpfs /tmp partitions is going to require a lot of thinking and rethinking for how much swap is required. Or also swap is useful if you have an enterprise server and have d

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. Did you chose this large swap or was it done automatically? My installs / + /home have around 20 or 30 GB only. Of cause, for audio productions I have separated

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total > > hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with much less capacity than an USB stick h

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 04:54, Bret Busby wrote: > On Thu, 3 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> >> On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: > > > >> >>> >>> Why is this so? >> >> JSM is that you? :-) >> > > Nope > > :) > > Is he still around? No (only in spirit). His son is though - and does excelle

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 00:34, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:48:59AM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: >> Hello Stephen, >> >> Stephen Powell wrote: >>> It is my understanding that, >>> assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition >>> should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total > hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago 40MB (mega bytes!) SCSI drive for my Atari 520 ST here and 4MB RAM (I'm a tinkerer ;) and it's not only running the Atari TOS, there's a 80286 hardware emul

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and several other distros) are able to handle the

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Rick Thomas
On Fri, 4 May 2012 02:40:16 +0800 (WST), Bret Busby wrote: free: " :~# free total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 80599647746808 313156 0 54708 1352976 -/+ buffers/cache:63391241720840 Swap: 42860340 66296 42

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Thu, 3 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: Why is this so? JSM is that you? :-) Nope :) Is he still around? fact there is *no* swap "rule". Swap is not "required". Enable it if you wish - but it's not mandatory, and it's usefulness is deter

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 17:27:42 From: Andrei POPESCU To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Swap space not used On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Darac, Darac Marjal wrote: > If the swap space is available during normal usage, then it's entirely > possible to have no space to suspend to. Yes. However, this is rather unlikely when the computer is used as a desktop/laptop, don’t you think? The only times when I actually used my swap s

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:48:59AM +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote: > Hello Stephen, > > Stephen Powell wrote: > > It is my understanding that, > > assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition > > should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM. > > Suspend/resume will consume a R

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Stephen, Stephen Powell wrote: > It is my understanding that, > assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition > should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM. > Suspend/resume will consume a RAM's worth right out of the > starting gate. The rest is then available for r

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 May 2012 07:12:31 -0400 (EDT), Sian Mountbatten wrote: > ... > As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. > ... It is my understanding that, assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM. Suspend

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, > even > though gparted shows it to be "Active". I don

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Rick Thomas
Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp into tmpfs. Whether doing so is a "good thing(TM)" is a religious debate that I don't want to stir up here. But there are people who do it, and for them a large swap partition can be useful. Rick PS: We haven't heard back

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Shane Johnson
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Johan Grönqvist wrote: > 2012-05-02 13:12, Sian Mountbatten skrev: > > Your swap partition is, very likely, too large. As a rule, your swap >> partition should be the same size as your RAM. Do you have 40GB RAM? >> > > Linux can handle well above 40 GB of swap. I w

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Johan Grönqvist
2012-05-02 13:12, Sian Mountbatten skrev: Your swap partition is, very likely, too large. As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. Do you have 40GB RAM? Linux can handle well above 40 GB of swap. I would be surprised if "swap partition too large" was the reason. My

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Lisi, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:12:31 Sian Mountbatten wrote: > > As a rule, your swap > > partition should be the same size as your RAM. > > We used to be taught it should be twice as big as your RAM - but even that > wouldn't get you to 40GB!! And, of course, that was i

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:12:31 Sian Mountbatten wrote: > As a rule, your swap > partition should be the same size as your RAM. We used to be taught it should be twice as big as your RAM - but even that wouldn't get you to 40GB!! And, of course, that was in the days when RAM was tiny by today

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Sian Mountbatten
On 02/05/12 09:00, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be "Active". Instead of Debian 6 using

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as > is shown by gparted. four zero Gigabytes? My / + /home are only 27GB :) > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap spac

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread keith
On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:48:30 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even > though gparted shows it t

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andy Hawkins
Hi, In article , Bret Busby wrote: > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even > though gparted shows it to be "Active". > > Instead of Debian 6 using the swap[

Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be "Active". Instead of Debian 6 using the swap[ partition, it just runs