Re: Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-07-01 Thread David Wright
On Tue 30 Jun 2020 at 22:04:02 (-0700), Bob McGowan wrote: > On 6/29/2020 11:37 PM, Reco wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:10:44PM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: > > > But I cannot figure out where this might be, or even if this is the > > > correct interpretation. > > Check out the contents of /et

Re: Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-30 Thread Bob McGowan
On 6/29/2020 11:37 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:10:44PM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: But I cannot figure out where this might be, or even if this is the correct interpretation. Check out the contents of /etc/systemd/system first. Rebuild initramfs second. Reco Hi, I

Re: Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-30 Thread deloptes
Bob McGowan wrote: > Please see thread with subject "Be careful when editing /etc/fstab" for > a bit of background. > > My computer had two swap partitions, on two different disks, when one of > them started to generate CRC errors, seek errors, etc. > > Once I determined which of the two it was,

Re: Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:10:44PM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: > But I cannot figure out where this might be, or even if this is the correct > interpretation. Check out the contents of /etc/systemd/system first. Rebuild initramfs second. Reco

Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-29 Thread Bob McGowan
Please see thread with subject "Be careful when editing /etc/fstab" for a bit of background. My computer had two swap partitions, on two different disks, when one of them started to generate CRC errors, seek errors, etc. Once I determined which of the two it was, I commented out the /etc/fst

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 14/02/2019 à 03:14, Curt Howland a écrit : I also put in ramdisk options for /tmp in /etc/fstab You mean tmpfs, not ramdisk. Nobody sane would prefer ramdisk over tmpfs for /tmp.

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2/13/19 1:28 PM, Andy Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 01:14:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: A swap partition is faster than a swap file. Has something changed in this regard since kernel version 2.6 then? http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0507.0/1690.html I do not follo

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2/13/19 1:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 2/13/19 6:11 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: If you want maximum SSD longevity, increase the amount of space that the SSD can use for remapping by never writing to some amount of space. Easiest is to not fill the disk with partitions -- le

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Curt Howland
are also a bunch of networking defaults for IPv4 and v6 for security and simplicity, but this is about SSD wear and swap space. A swap partition that is simply never written to never wears out. I also put in ramdisk options for /tmp in /etc/fstab in order to reduce disk writes. Curt- - --

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 04:23:56PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > "Over-provisioning often takes away from user capacity, either > temporarily or permanently, but it gives back reduced write > amplification, increased endurance, and increased performance." > > Increased endurance is increased

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 01:14:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: AFAIK over-provisioning has no effect on longevity -- longevity is proportional to total number of cells times rated erase/ write cycles per cell divided by write throughput. In the absence of trim, restricting the logical capac

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 01:14:36PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > A swap partition is faster than a swap file. Has something changed in this regard since kernel version 2.6 then? http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0507.0/1690.html Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-no

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Dan Ritter
David Christensen wrote: > On 2/13/19 6:11 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > If you want maximum SSD longevity, increase the amount of space that > > the SSD can use for remapping by never writing to some amount of > > space. Easiest is to not fill the disk with partitions -- leave 5-10% > > empty. > > A

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2/13/19 5:41 AM, deb wrote: Again -- fussing with a full (not from a live .iso) 9.7 install; the Debian GUI installer is suggesting a Swap partition on a Kingston SSD. #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap

Thanks Dan. Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread deb
Thank you. On 2/13/2019 9:11 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: deb wrote: On 2/13/2019 8:46 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:41:33AM -0500, deb wrote: #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Dan Ritter
deb wrote: > > On 2/13/2019 8:46 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:41:33AM -0500, deb wrote: > > > #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with > > > writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition > > > on a SSD rather than a swap F

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread deb
On 2/13/2019 8:46 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:41:33AM -0500, deb wrote: #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition on a SSD rather than a swap FILE? That's not a thing: the SS

Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:41:33AM -0500, deb wrote: #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition on a SSD rather than a swap FILE? That's not a thing: the SSD will balance writes physically across the d

Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

2019-02-13 Thread deb
Hello folks: Again -- fussing with a full (not from a live .iso) 9.7 install; the Debian GUI installer is suggesting a Swap partition on a Kingston SSD. #1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition on

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Lisi
On Friday 04 May 2012 06:16:52 Bret Busby wrote: > It could simply be malicious web sites. > > I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using > konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing > Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just > fre

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-04 Thread Stephen Powell
onsume a RAM's worth right out of the >> starting gate. The rest is then available for regular swap >> file activity. > > This is - more or less - wrong. Suspend/Resume will consume at most > swap space corresponding to the used RAM (i. e. with compression and > dro

Re: Swap space not used (problem website)

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 16:34, Bret Busby wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> >> On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> Works just as well in iceweasel 12.0.1 with NoScript fully enabled. >> Ditto Konqueror 4.4.5 >> > > Hmm. > > It does work in iceweasel 3.5.16, with Javascript di

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just freezes konquero

Re: Swap space not used (now screen relics).

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:30, Bret Busby wrote: >> > > And, Iceweasel (and it may have happened with the iceape browser; I am > not sure - have not used it for a couple of weeks, now, I think) has a > habit of leaving fragments of dialogue boxes on top of everything else > on the desktop, hiding parts of

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: > > I have just tried (repeatedly) to access whitepages.com.au, using > konqueror (one of the web browsers that I have kept allowing > Javascript), and, each time that I try to use the web site, it just > freezes konqueror, requiring me to use the kill switc

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: Perhaps, on installation, the creation of a file to store the original information about the installation (iso image source, full version number and date of version, etc), that could be retrieved any time

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 04/05/12 04:54, Bret Busby wrote: Out of interest, with you saying that swapping is not mandatory, from memory, about 20-odd years ago, when I started learning (formally) about operating systems, we were told that UNIX has a memory requirement

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Fri, 4 May 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and se

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 04/05/12 14:23, Bret Busby wrote: > If some utility > existed that would display the source of an iso image, and the full > version number of the source iso image, it would be good. # mount -o loop debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso /mnt # cat /mnt/.disk/info Debian GNU/Linux testing "Wheezy" -

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Dom
On 04/05/12 02:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with much

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Rick Thomas wrote: > Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp > into tmpfs. Yes. The new trend for tmpfs /tmp partitions is going to require a lot of thinking and rethinking for how much swap is required. Or also swap is useful if you have an enterprise server and have d

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
separated, large partitions. I chose the swap partition size. I reasoned that I have (what I regard as) a massively large hard drive capacity, so I might as well use it to help system stability, by providing a large amount of swap space. Is your Debian a regular Debian? IOW did you download the

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 01:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total > > hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago I can't resist ... in the 80s and 90s we burned EPROMS with much less capacity than an USB stick h

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
UNIX is a tag that comes at a cost. Like Heart Foundation endorsement. > it is classed, I believe, as "UNIX-like", and som I believe, uses or > imitates, some of the principles of UNIX. Yes. Call it a clean room implementation (blindly cloned) that achieves a high POSIX. > >

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Scott Ferguson
han RAM. (I haven't tested with less than that amount). > > If the swap space is available during normal usage, then it's entirely > possible to have no space to suspend to. ?? I've *never* found either of the Linux suspend schemes (usermode or kernel) suffer from that fa

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the total > hard drive capacities of most hard drives from twenty years ago 40MB (mega bytes!) SCSI drive for my Atari 520 ST here and 4MB RAM (I'm a tinkerer ;) and it's not only running the Atari TOS, there's a 80286 hardware emul

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hm, I've got 4 GB RAM and two swaps, 2.17GiB and 2.43GiB, one on each HDD I'm using. I'm doing resource-intensive work with my machine. 4 GB RAM are enough for my needs and I never noticed that a swap was touched. For my kind of usage Linux (Debian and several other distros) are able to handle the

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Rick Thomas
sabled, and you have plenty of swap space for any normal use. The remaining question is, why do you periodically run out of memory and crash? Or, put another way, what abnormal use is occurring to cause your crashes? Are there any indications in syslog of what may be going on immediate

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
tes, some of the principles of UNIX. In that, I believe that Linux requires memory paging, that we rname swapping, and, I understand that the rule used to be to provide swap space of at least twice the amount of RAM. While this computer has 8GB of RAM, which is far greater than the tota

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 17:27:42 From: Andrei POPESCU To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Swap space not used On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Darac, Darac Marjal wrote: > If the swap space is available during normal usage, then it's entirely > possible to have no space to suspend to. Yes. However, this is rather unlikely when the computer is used as a desktop/laptop, don’t you think? The only times when I actually u

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Darac Marjal
gt; Suspend/resume will consume a RAM's worth right out of the > > starting gate. The rest is then available for regular swap > > file activity. > > This is - more or less - wrong. Suspend/Resume will consume at most > swap space corresponding to the used RAM (i. e. with

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-03 Thread Claudius Hubig
s then available for regular swap > file activity. This is - more or less - wrong. Suspend/Resume will consume at most swap space corresponding to the used RAM (i. e. with compression and dropping of buffers/caches, it can be far less). However, this swap space is not used during runtime but

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 02 May 2012 07:12:31 -0400 (EDT), Sian Mountbatten wrote: > ... > As a rule, your swap partition should be the same size as your RAM. > ... It is my understanding that, assuming suspend/resume is supported, your swap partition should be AT LEAST as large as TWICE the amount of RAM. Suspend

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 02/05/12 17:48, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, > even > though gpart

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Rick Thomas
Another use for a large swap partition is if you want to put /tmp into tmpfs. Whether doing so is a "good thing(TM)" is a religious debate that I don't want to stir up here. But there are people who do it, and for them a large swap partition can be useful. Rick PS: We haven't heard back

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Shane Johnson
o within the memory I have available. > > It is not uncommon for me to misjudge the need by a factor of 2 or 3, and > in those cases, I have programs being killed left and right unless I have > enough swap-space. > > I would say that being careful with swap-space is important

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Johan Grönqvist
e programs being killed left and right unless I have enough swap-space. I would say that being careful with swap-space is important when one has too small a hard drive, but I have plenty of drives space these days. Not having my jobs killed is more important to me than saving a few tens of GB of e

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Claudius Hubig
B!! And, of course, that was in the days when RAM was > tiny by today's standards. That indeed was a rule of thumb when swap space was actually important. However, with today’s RAM, the main usage of swap space is hibernate (suspend to disk), for which at most the size of your RAM in

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 02 May 2012 12:12:31 Sian Mountbatten wrote: > As a rule, your swap > partition should be the same size as your RAM. We used to be taught it should be twice as big as your RAM - but even that wouldn't get you to 40GB!! And, of course, that was in the days when RAM was tiny by today

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Sian Mountbatten
On 02/05/12 09:00, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be "Active". Instead o

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 02 mai 12, 15:48:30, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as > is shown by gparted. four zero Gigabytes? My / + /home are only 27GB :) > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread keith
On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:48:30 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I am running Debian 6. > > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even &

Re: Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Andy Hawkins
Hi, In article , Bret Busby wrote: > When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is > shown by gparted. > > But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even > though gparted shows it to be "Active". > > Ins

Swap space not used

2012-05-02 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. I am running Debian 6. When I installed it, I had a swap partition of about 40GB set up, as is shown by gparted. But, for some strnge reason, Debian 6will not use the swap space, even though gparted shows it to be "Active". Instead of Debian 6 using the swap[ partitio

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Brian
On Sun 14 Aug 2011 at 15:37:34 +0100, AG wrote: > My hard ram is 3 GB (2.84 to be exact) and I gave the same amount to > swap when I initially partitioned the HDD. More than enough. > My response to Ivan crossed yours, so if there's no value and I also run > the risk of meddling with the ker

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:51 AM, AG wrote: > Hey list > > Just a quick query about releasing swap space.  On occasion according to > Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes gets > used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for usenet. &

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Camaleón writes: […] > So, who is going to say that a "/swap" partition is going to be > needed with 8 GiB of RAM? I wouldn't, I just thought kernel makes > use of all of the available resources are allocates them to get the > best performance. Meaning: if you have available resourc

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> AG writes: > On 14/08/11 14:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > AG writes: […] > I have recently switched to Xfce4 on Stable from Gnome because the > latter was quite a memory hog and seemed to retain pages in swap > until I logged/ rebooted. The pages that stay longer in the

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:37:34 +0100, AG wrote: > On 14/08/11 15:27, Camaleón wrote: >> What's your amount of physical ram? >> >> > My hard ram is 3 GB (2.84 to be exact) and I gave the same amount to > swap when I initially partitioned the HDD. That's a fair amount of ram... I wonder why your sy

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread AG
On 14/08/11 15:27, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:51:07 +0100, AG wrote: Just a quick query about releasing swap space. On occasion according to Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread AG
On 14/08/11 14:35, Ivan Shmakov wrote: AG writes: > Just a quick query about releasing swap space. On occasion according to > Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes > gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for > usen

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:51:07 +0100, AG wrote: > Just a quick query about releasing swap space. On occasion according to > Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes > gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for > usenet. What'

Re: [Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread Ivan Shmakov
>>>>> AG writes: > Just a quick query about releasing swap space. On occasion according to > Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes > gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for > usenet. > Is there any

[Slightly OT] Releasing swap space?

2011-08-14 Thread AG
Hey list Just a quick query about releasing swap space. On occasion according to Conky (system monitoring app), the swap space (set at 3Gb) sometimes gets used to up to 15% especially if using something like Pan for usenet. Is there any value/ harm in releasing this space using something

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-03 Thread Brad Sawatzky
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, Aneurin Price wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 02/03/2009 05:01 AM, Avi Greenbury wrote: > > > > That's a design issue (I think) specific to Windows. Has to do with the > > decision to map video card RAM into regular address space (even on

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-03 Thread Aneurin Price
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/03/2009 05:01 AM, Avi Greenbury wrote: >> >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> > On 02/01/2009 10:04 AM, Mirko Scurk wrote: >> > [snip] >> >> >> >> Could it be that 32-bit Debian can't access rest of memory? >> >> >> > >> > That would only be

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/03/2009 05:01 AM, Avi Greenbury wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/01/2009 10:04 AM, Mirko Scurk wrote: > [snip] >> >> Could it be that 32-bit Debian can't access rest of memory? >> > > That would only be an issue if he could only see (I think) 2GB of his > 4GB RAM. > Really? The o

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-03 Thread Avi Greenbury
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/01/2009 10:04 AM, Mirko Scurk wrote: > [snip] >> >> Could it be that 32-bit Debian can't access rest of memory? >> > > That would only be an issue if he could only see (I think) 2GB of his > 4GB RAM. > Really? The only system on which I've >3Gb of ram and a 32bit OS is

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-02 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/02/2009 11:34 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:04:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/30/2009 09:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 02:52:34AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: If a 100%

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Try to run `free' to get a more detailed break up (or even "cat >> /proc/meminfo"). > Running free -g on my system returns 3. I have 4. > Running cat /proc/meminfo returns 4030668KB, which is 3.84GB according > to onlineconversion, closer. Does RAM also have a sort of FAT? No, it's just that s

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-02 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:04:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/30/2009 09:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 02:52:34AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > >>On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: > >>If a 100% CPU usage causes your computer to *over*h

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/01/2009 08:15 PM, Lee Glidewell wrote: [snip] You know what they say about people who assume. ;) I'll go stand in the corner now. With your nose pressed into the corner, touching that dust spot at eye level. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I am not surprised, for we live lon

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Lee Glidewell
On Sunday 01 February 2009 17:59:07 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/01/2009 02:49 PM, Lee Glidewell wrote: > > > > No, the issue is that manufactures advertise in *1000, while computers > > use > > Hard drive manufacturers, not RAM manufacturers. > > My beard's grey enough to remember when drive manufac

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/01/2009 02:49 PM, Lee Glidewell wrote: On Saturday 31 January 2009 21:01:14 David Fox wrote: It isn't that RAM has a FAT - those things only are present on filesystems. It is more likely that free's interpretation doesn't include kernel memory. Also, 4gb may be 4*1024*1024 not 4*1000*1000,

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Lee Glidewell
On Sunday 01 February 2009 17:04:38 Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > So a stick of memory advertised as 4 Gigabytes is going to present itself > > to your computer as 3.84 Gibibytes, roughly. > > Er... what's the standard in Debian? 1024, right? We're still being > logical here, right? Sorry, it's more l

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
> So a stick of memory advertised as 4 Gigabytes is going to present itself to > your computer as 3.84 Gibibytes, roughly. Er... what's the standard in Debian? 1024, right? We're still being logical here, right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Lee Glidewell
On Saturday 31 January 2009 21:01:14 David Fox wrote: > > It isn't that RAM has a FAT - those things only are present on > filesystems. It is more likely that free's interpretation doesn't > include kernel memory. Also, 4gb may be 4*1024*1024 not 4*1000*1000, > although that is more likely to be a

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/01/2009 10:04 AM, Mirko Scurk wrote: [snip] Could it be that 32-bit Debian can't access rest of memory? That would only be an issue if he could only see (I think) 2GB of his 4GB RAM. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poope

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-02-01 Thread Mirko Scurk
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/31/2009 03:27 PM, Nuno MagalhĂŁes wrote: >>> Try to run `free' to get a more detailed break up (or even "cat >>> /proc/meminfo"). >> >> Running free -g on my system returns 3. I have 4. >> Running cat /proc/meminfo returns 4030668KB, which is 3.84GB according > > That's

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/31/2009 11:01 PM, David Fox wrote: [snip] It isn't that RAM has a FAT - those things only are present on filesystems. It is more likely that free's interpretation doesn't include kernel memory. Also, 4gb may be 4*1024*1024 not 4*1000*1000, although that is more likely to be a concern with

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/31/2009 03:27 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Try to run `free' to get a more detailed break up (or even "cat /proc/meminfo"). Running free -g on my system returns 3. I have 4. Running cat /proc/meminfo returns 4030668KB, which is 3.84GB according That's 4030668*1024 = 4,127,404,032. to onl

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > It seems as though free won't return the accurate size. I also have 4 gb of RAM (new Quadcore Intel) and 'free -g' reports '3' as well, I suspect this is underrounding to the extreme, and 'free -gb' returns a more realistic number: f...@n

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2009-01-31 02:52:34 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: > > I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of > > my CPU is high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also > > discovered that my swa

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/31/2009 06:00 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:04:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/30/2009 09:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 02:52:34AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: Hi I r

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:04:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/30/2009 09:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 02:52:34AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: Hi I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% w

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Nuno Magalhães
> Try to run `free' to get a more detailed break up (or even "cat > /proc/meminfo"). Running free -g on my system returns 3. I have 4. Running cat /proc/meminfo returns 4030668KB, which is 3.84GB according to onlineconversion, closer. Does RAM also have a sort of FAT? It seems as though free won'

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is > high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also discovered that my swap > space is being used while only 13% of the RAM is, why isn't is using the > rest of the RAM. Has anyone got any ideas why?

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
Dean Chester: > > I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is > high. The causality is the other way round: your CPU's temperature rises if the CPU is being used. That's totally expected. The question is whether the temperature is high enough to damage your CPU. J.

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
have also discovered that my swap space is being used while only 13% of the RAM is, why isn't is using the rest of the RAM. Has anyone got any ideas why? No. CPU utilization has nothing directly to do with swap usage. If a 100% CPU usage causes your computer to *over*heat (which is something yo

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 02:52:34AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: > > Hi > > I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is > > high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also di

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:54:34AM +, Dean Chester wrote: > Hi > I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is > high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also discovered that my swap > space is being used while only 13% of the RAM is, why isn&#x

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 2009 January 30 18:54:34 Dean Chester wrote: >I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is >high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also discovered that my swap >space is being used while only 13% of the RAM is, why isn't is using the &g

Re: Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/30/2009 06:54 PM, Dean Chester wrote: Hi I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also discovered that my swap space is being used How much? 2%, or 90%? while only 13% of the RAM

Use of Swap Space

2009-01-30 Thread Dean Chester
Hi I recently noticed that my CPU is at 100% when the temperature of my CPU is high. Taking a look at System Monitor i have also discovered that my swap space is being used while only 13% of the RAM is, why isn't is using the rest of the RAM. Has anyone got any ideas why? Thanks in Advance Dean.

Re: swap space on a large system

2008-06-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 06:51:08AM -0400, Mag Gam wrote: > Typically, we create a partition to capture a kernel dump when the system > crashes. Therefore, a system with 16GB of RAM will have a partition with > 16GB. > > How would I scale a system with 64 or 128GB of memory? Any thoughts? > Bigge

Re: swap space on a large system

2008-06-11 Thread Luke S Crawford
"Mag Gam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Typically, we create a partition to capture a kernel dump when the system > crashes. Therefore, a system with 16GB of RAM will have a partition with > 16GB. > How would I scale a system with 64 or 128GB of memory? Any thoughts? As far as I understand, thou

Re: swap space on a large system

2008-06-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/08 05:51, Mag Gam wrote: > Typically, we create a partition to capture a kernel dump when the > system crashes. How often does that happen? > Therefore, a system with 16GB of RAM will have a > partition with 16GB. > > How wo

swap space on a large system

2008-06-11 Thread Mag Gam
Typically, we create a partition to capture a kernel dump when the system crashes. Therefore, a system with 16GB of RAM will have a partition with 16GB. How would I scale a system with 64 or 128GB of memory? Any thoughts? TIA

swap space and hd partitioning

2008-04-24 Thread tyler
Hi, I've got a couple of questions regarding hd partitions and swap space. My first, immediate problem is that I've just upgraded my RAM from 1.5GB to 3GB. I'm running some numerical simulations and analysis that require that much space or more. My swap partition is 1.95GB, and

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