Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-23 Thread hendrik
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 08:06:01AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > "Manaen Schlabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really > > don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary > > reason we can't get a "good" open source

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-22 Thread Miles Bader
Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So... what's the "interesting" stuff in the driver that they're trying >> to protect? Texture management? > > I think the 'interesting' stuff is the nuts and botls of sending data, > because I think they're afraid someone will reverse-engineer thei

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-22 Thread John Hasler
Miles writes: > So... what's the "interesting" stuff in the driver that they're trying to > protect? Texture management? Several different things. They often don't own the copyrights to everything in the driver: they license some of it from other companies. They also often license parts of the d

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-22 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 08:06:01AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > "Manaen Schlabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really > > don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary > > reason we can't get a "good" open source

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-22 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Miles Bader wrote: > "Manaen Schlabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really >>don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary >>reason we can't get a "good" open source driver. > > > S, sowhat exactly is in the

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software

2006-04-22 Thread Miles Bader
"Manaen Schlabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really > don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary > reason we can't get a "good" open source driver. S, sowhat exactly is in the video card drivers they're so p

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 12:01 -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: > On 4/21/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > > > On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > > It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really > don't

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-22 Thread Manaen Schlabach
On 4/21/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > > On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do > > > 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd > > > > How

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:37 -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do > > 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd > > How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday 20 April 2006 23:37, Rogério Brito wrote: > On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do > > 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd > > How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: > Still, if they come out with reasonably priced cards that can do > 3D like an NVIDIA FX 5200 using the nvidia binary driver, I'd How exactly is the performance of such a beast? I have never had the opportunity of using a binary driver for video, since I don't n

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Apr 19 2006, Ron Johnson wrote: > When Intel makes "stand-alone" video cards, they'll get more notice > from those of us who don't want on-board video. Actually, between the choices of being able to use the driver even if the card is on-board or not using it (or it having poor support under Fre

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-20 Thread Manaen Schlabach
On 4/19/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > > i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're > > site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't > > get it to install since i am new to

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 19:34, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 17:27 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > > > > i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 17:27 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > > > i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're > > > site at www.intel.com in the downloads and sup

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 17:08, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > > i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're > > site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't > > get it to install since i am new t

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Xplicit Language
right i see what you meanRon Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote:> i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're> site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't> get it to install since i am new

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 16:53 -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're > site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't > get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there. When Intel makes "stand-alone" vi

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Xplicit Language
i have found a video driver on intel 82810 onboard video on they're site at www.intel.com in the downloads and support section, i couldn't get it to install since i am new to linux, but it was there.Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom.On Apr 18 200

Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Xplicit Language
Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom.On Apr 18 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote:> From a recent ZDNet article> > http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.printYes, I read this very same article with great interest (and what a goodtimi

Supported Video Cards under Free Software (was: Re: Best Video Card)

2006-04-19 Thread Rogério Brito
Hi, Manaen and others interested in Freedom. On Apr 18 2006, Manaen Schlabach wrote: > From a recent ZDNet article > > http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-6061491.html?tag=st.util.print Yes, I read this very same article with great interest (and what a good timing it had, considering our discuss

Re: Supported video cards

2002-01-06 Thread Daniel Freedman
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002, Penguin wrote: > In general, is it okay to buy an AGP video card for Debian Potato 2.2r4? I > really don't want the hassle of trying to upgrade to XFree 4+ (I've tried and > failed many times) and I'm not sure if I want woody or sid just yet. AGP in general is fine. > Wher

Supported video cards

2002-01-06 Thread Penguin
In general, is it okay to buy an AGP video card for Debian Potato 2.2r4? I really don't want the hassle of trying to upgrade to XFree 4+ (I've tried and failed many times) and I'm not sure if I want woody or sid just yet. Where can I get the list of video cards that Debian Potato supports? I wil