> > >> Too many critical bugs found in them and treated by the upstream
> > >> developpers with only contempt for the people reporting them
> > >> (see
> > >> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237#issuecomment-312458445)
> > >
> > > By that logic (in)famous libc bug 4980 shoud've stopped
Hi,
Rob van der Putten wrote:
> You need to modify your net install DVD too;
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_the_Netinst_CD
Guests may not discuss there. So here:
The genisoimage run in "update-cdrom.sh" only prepares for booting via
BIOS from CD/DVD. One w
Hi there
On 05/07/17 17:27, Don Armstrong wrote:
It already exists:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00097.html
«
You can just append:
preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
to the installer command line.
Or you can roll your own install media wit
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 20:01:15 +0100 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 07 Jul 2017 at 08:50:37 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 14:53:09 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 03:31:18PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > >I would be interested if there were.
On Fri 07 Jul 2017 at 14:53:09 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 03:31:18PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >I would be interested if there were. I've never seen such an option
> ...
> >Let the list know what you discover.
>
> I'm surprised to report that the option do man
On Fri 07 Jul 2017 at 08:50:37 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 14:53:09 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 03:31:18PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >I would be interested if there were. I've never seen such an option
> > ...
> > >Let the list know
On Thu 06 Jul 2017 at 21:07:44 -0600, Tom Dial wrote:
> I am not a particular fan of systemd, but have learned to live with it,
> on the basis that deviations from the default install are likely to lead
> to more work, possibly exponentially, down the line.
>
> That said, the hplip in Devuan 2.0
On Thu 06 Jul 2017 at 15:49:41 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> There are also packages which add a dependency on systemd whereas the
> same software works perfectly on FreeBSD, thus without anything
> ressembling it (eg hplip).
hplip does not have systemd as a Depends:,
In about 2009 hplip introduce
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 14:53:09 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 03:31:18PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >I would be interested if there were. I've never seen such an option
> ...
> >Let the list know what you discover.
>
> I'm surprised to report that the option do manuall
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 03:31:18PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
I would be interested if there were. I've never seen such an option
...
Let the list know what you discover.
I'm surprised to report that the option do manually select software is
no longer there. As I recall, it was essentially
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Reco wrote:
> [...]
>> >
>> >> This behaviour on a critical component is mere madness.
>> >
>> > OpenBSD folks beg to differ.
>> >
>> > https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=149902196520920&w=2
>>
>> They were mocking systemd, not adopting the behaviour...
>
> Rly?
On 07/06/2017 10:00 AM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:49:41 +0200
> Erwan David wrote:
>
>>> True. But does libsystemd0 count? It's a library, not an executable.
>>>
>> There are also packages which add a dependency on systemd whereas the
>> same software works perfectly on
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 20:55:48 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 09:02:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >Even in Expert Mode, there's no choice to install an alternate init.
> >And with systemd being a major system dependency in Debian, it's
> >always going to be around rega
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 09:02:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
Even in Expert Mode, there's no choice to install an alternate init.
And with systemd being a major system dependency in Debian, it's always
going to be around regardless of which init you migrate to.
I believe expert mode offers y
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:57:55 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:32:17PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >If you're referring to "preseed" or "debootstrap" scenerios, those
> >are more "work-arounds" than a choice from within the installer --
> >What my original query was abo
Hi.
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:49:41 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
> > True. But does libsystemd0 count? It's a library, not an executable.
> >
> There are also packages which add a dependency on systemd whereas the
> same software works perfectly on FreeBSD, thus without anything
> ressembling i
Hi.
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:27:04 +0200
Erwan David wrote:
> Le 07/06/17 à 13:48, Reco a écrit :
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init.
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:50:24 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:41:42PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >All that can be done on a window manager only system, too. Just
> >install the utility needed, either terminal or X-based..
>
> You are missing the point entirely. I wa
On 06/07/17 13:10, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 07:34:04AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
But that is not the scenario I am discussing. I am discussing the
experience which an ordinary user, who simply selects from the options
which the installer lists, will have. (My use of the term
Le 07/06/17 à 15:27, Reco a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:45:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>>>
Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> You can still use
Le 07/06/17 à 13:48, Reco a écrit :
> Hi.
>
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
>>>
>>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained here:
>>>
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.htm
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:45:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >
> >> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> >>
> >>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Exp
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 07:34:04AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
Am I?
I'm bored now of repeating myself.
Certainly there are ways to set things up in advance so that the
installer will never install the systemd-sysv package (or at least there
are reported to be - I've never tried any of them my
On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>
>> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
>>
>>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained
>>> here:
>>>
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.
We get multiple users *per day* in #debian asking how to work
around whatever their live-CD-install broke. Care to guess how many
users we get per day asking how to replace systemd?
As Don Armstrong already said, the Debian developers are *not* going
to change the installer to add the option you keep yelling for. Just
get over it.
Hi.
On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> >
> > You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained here:
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html
> >
> > If you would prefer that it
On 2017-07-06 at 04:09, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 06-07-17, David Griffith wrote:
>
>> I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu
>> option that pops up when the install is running that explicitly
>> asks the person installing which init to use.
>
> There was no such option w
On 2017-07-06 at 06:54, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 10:57:14PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Since it is not even conceptually possible to install Debian with
>> no init system at all (even if an option to do so existed, what
>> would it *do* in practice?), having there be
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 10:57:14PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
Since it is not even conceptually possible to install Debian with no
init system at all (even if an option to do so existed, what would it
*do* in practice?), having there be an option to select which of the
available init systems shou
Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
>
> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained here:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html
>
> If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian without
> systemd, I do not have personal experience wit
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:49:41PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Is it true that systemd only allows sysvinit to run inside of systemd, in fact
systemd is starting your computer and shutting down your computer and still
running in the background while you are using your computer?
No. It is not t
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:41:42PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
All that can be done on a window manager only system, too. Just install
the utility needed, either terminal or X-based..
You are missing the point entirely. I was not arguing it was impossible
to get that functionality without usi
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 04:32:17PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
If you're referring to "preseed" or "debootstrap" scenerios, those are
more "work-arounds" than a choice from within the installer -- What
my original query was about. While they work, so does the other option
of switching inits aft
On 07/05/2017 10:25 PM, David Griffith wrote:
[snip]
I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu
option that pops up when the install is running that explicitly
asks the person installing which init to use.
On 07/06/2017 01:28 AM, Ansgar Burchardt replied:
But there are f
On July 5, 2017 9:11:27 AM PDT, The Wanderer wrote:
>On 2017-07-05 at 11:27, Don Armstrong wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
>
>>> It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the
>desired init.
>>
>> It already exists:
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-
On 06-07-17, David Griffith wrote:
>
> I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu option that
> pops up when the install is running that explicitly asks the person
> installing which init to use.
>
>
> --
> David Griffith
> d...@661.org
>
> A: Because it fouls the order i
David Griffith writes:
> I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu
> option that pops up when the install is running that explicitly asks
> the person installing which init to use.
But there are far more urgent questions that don't get asked at install
time either:
1. Which
On Thu, 06 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
> I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu option
> that pops up when the install is running that explicitly asks the
> person installing which init to use.
We're not going to add such an option, because every additional question
as
On 07/04/2017 09:33 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 07/03/2017 01:41 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
Is there a pure Debian alternative?
Have a look at https://devuan.org/.
A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the
kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and
the
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote:
On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
Is there a pure Debian alternative?
There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install
the
On 2017-07-05 at 12:44, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is
>> a step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to
>> choose which init system you want to be installe
On 07/05/2017 08:27 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote:
On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
Is there a pure Debian alternative?
There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:53:10 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:11:05PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >My thoughts exactly. I stopped using GNOME or any desktop
> >environment 5+ years ago. Resource hogs.. A window manager, a
> >single panel and a couple virtual termina
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:43:43 +0100 JPlews wrote:
> >
> > It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the
> > desired init.
> >
>
> Exactly what I think too, I have been wanting to start a thread about
> 'Is multi-init at install dead?' but keep getting distracted because
> i
On 07/05/2017 09:44 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is a
step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to choose which
init system you want to be installed, such that
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:57:20 +0100 Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:15:48PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >I suggested that a few months ago. Thread lasted a couple weeks.
> >Lots of Pro and Con with a few "Too Hard to Do" or "Impossible to
> >Do."
>
> Also several posts of
On 07/05/2017 12:38 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 07/05/2017 05:56 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 09:33:16PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the
kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and
the only syste
On 07/05/2017 02:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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[...]
Is it possible that Devuan is becoming more Debian and Debian is
becoming less Debian? What do you say to that? Hypothetically
spe
systemd: Make Linux Great Again! (c)
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson
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> On 07/05/2017 07:18 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:
On 03/07/17, Greg Wooledge (wool...@eeg.ccf.org) wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> > an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> > laptop doesn't feel
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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:44PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
[...]
> Is it possible that Devuan is becoming more Debian and Debian is
> becoming less Debian? What do you say to that? Hypothetically
> speaking of course. :)
Don't think so, no.
> J
On 07/05/2017 07:18 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:48:07AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see
thi
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is a
> step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to choose which
> init system you want to be installed, such that the installer will never
> even attempt t
On 2017-07-05 at 11:27, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
>> It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the desired
>> init.
>
> It already exists:
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00097.html
>
> «
> You can just append:
>
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote:
> On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote:
> >On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> >> Is there a pure Debian alternative?
> >
> >There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install
> >the package "sysvinit-core" to
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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:48:07AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see
> > this message, as surely you have dutifully
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see
> this message, as surely you have dutifully unsubscribed and will not be
> posting here anymore, as is right and proper.
It's perfectly possible to use both
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:15:48PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
I suggested that a few months ago. Thread lasted a couple weeks. Lots
of Pro and Con with a few "Too Hard to Do" or "Impossible to Do."
Also several posts of "this is already possible via /this/ method..."
which seems to have bee
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 09:33:16PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the kde-plasma-desktop. Now
it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and the only systemd is
"libsystemd0" and it seems to be required for kde. This is a very smart
system and an
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:11:05PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
My thoughts exactly. I stopped using GNOME or any desktop environment
5+ years ago. Resource hogs.. A window manager, a single panel and a
couple virtual terminals are more than sufficient.
What's good enough for you is not nece
It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the desired init.
Exactly what I think too, I have been wanting to start a thread about
'Is multi-init at install dead?' but keep getting distracted because
it's actually very interesting in terms of social sciences too.
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:33:25PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Jimmy Johnson writes:
> > Funny, that sounds like something a Slack'er would say. Patrick, we
> > are not all keyboard wizards like you and that other Patrick who can
> > keyboard faster than I can read. That's a compliment on your abil
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On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 02:38:23AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:08:03PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Why not try a window manager and a panel?
>
> I'm so far behind the times[1]... What's a "panel" in this context?
Th
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:08:03PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Why not try a window manager and a panel?
I'm so far behind the times[1]... What's a "panel" in this context?
[1] I still use WindowMaker for my desktop.
--
Dave Sherohman
On 07/03/2017 01:41 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote:
Is there a pure Debian alternative?
Have a look at https://devuan.org/.
A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the
kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and
the only systemd is "libsystemd0" and it seems to
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 15:35:10 -0700 David Griffith wrote:
> On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read
> wrote:
> >On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> >> Is there a pure Debian alternative?
> >
> >There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit
> >(install the package "s
On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:56:06 -0700 Jimmy Johnson
wrote:
> On 07/04/2017 03:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 19:51:39 +0200 deloptes
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Christian Seiler wrote:
> >>
> >>> For both Jessie and Stretch, the following holds true:
> >>>
> >>> - GNOME requires systm
Jimmy Johnson writes:
> Funny, that sounds like something a Slack'er would say. Patrick, we
> are not all keyboard wizards like you and that other Patrick who can
> keyboard faster than I can read. That's a compliment on your abilities
> by the way.
Gnome or the Slacker way are not the only altern
On 07/04/2017 03:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 19:51:39 +0200 deloptes wrote:
Christian Seiler wrote:
For both Jessie and Stretch, the following holds true:
- GNOME requires systmed-logind's interfaces to work. (Or any
alternative that implements the same DBus interface,
On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote:
>On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
>> Is there a pure Debian alternative?
>
>There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install
>the package "sysvinit-core" to use this as your init daemon), and there
>are several s
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 19:51:39 +0200 deloptes wrote:
> Christian Seiler wrote:
>
> > For both Jessie and Stretch, the following holds true:
> >
> > - GNOME requires systmed-logind's interfaces to work. (Or any
> > alternative that implements the same DBus interface, but none
> > exist in Debian a
Christian Seiler wrote:
> For both Jessie and Stretch, the following holds true:
>
> - GNOME requires systmed-logind's interfaces to work. (Or any
> alternative that implements the same DBus interface, but none
> exist in Debian at the moment)
+ one reason no to use Gnome
Hi,
On 07/04/2017 02:06 AM, Jason Wittlin-Cohen wrote:
> I assume this will work fine for a server system, but will it work on
> a desktop system using GNOME? From what I've read, GNOME has several
> systemd dependencies, but it's not clear to me whether this requires
> systemd to be used as init,
I assume this will work fine for a server system, but will it work on a
desktop system using GNOME? From what I've read, GNOME has several systemd
dependencies, but it's not clear to me whether this requires systemd to be
used as init, or merely that systemd's packages must be installed.
Also, th
On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:39:26 -0400 Greg Wooledge
wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to
> > use an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use
> > Windows. My laptop doesn't fee
On 3 July 2017 at 21:39, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> > an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> > laptop doesn't feel like my
ght humbly suggest, in passing, that your choice of Subject: header
is unnecessarily inflammatory and the interrogative "How do I replace
systemd?" would have been much better than the imperative "Replace
systemd" :)
On 03-07-17, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.
>
> On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
> to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
> and I've concluded that I'd like to move away from systemd
Hello,
On 07/03/2017 03:42 PM, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.
>
> On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
> to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
> and I've concluded that I'd like to mov
On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
>
> Is there a pure Debian alternativ
I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.
On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
and I've concluded that I'd like to move away from systemd as I don't
like the binary log.
This isn't a con
Just do:
apt-get install sysvinit-core
That's it.
On 21 October 2014 11:41, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help p
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:41:56PM +0200, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
>
> Regards,
> Basti
Hi Bast
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:41:56 +0200, basti wrote:
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg00969.html
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:41:56PM +0200, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
>
https://randomstring.org/blog/blog/20
Hello,
weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
Regards,
Basti
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