Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:18:44AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > apt-get is all I use - there's too much for me to deal with in the GUI > programs, and combined with a bunch of single-key commands, I find it > difficult. I use > > apt-get install x > apt-get remove x > apt-cache search

subtle difference between package managers (was: Re: xorg in sid)

2005-07-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 10:47:54PM -0500, Aaron Hall wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote: > > >with all three of them at the same time (apt, aptitude, and synaptic). > >That's what I am doing now. I started off with apt-get, then I got to > >know aptitude, which adds a few nice tri

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-15 Thread Jules Dubois
On Thursday 14 July 2005 21:39, Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 01:48:38PM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: >> Obstinate trolls lacking the ability to learn or even RTFM. > > something stupid it does is obviously a troll You certainly are a dedica

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Aaron Hall
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote: with all three of them at the same time (apt, aptitude, and synaptic). That's what I am doing now. I started off with apt-get, then I got to know aptitude, which adds a few nice tricks, and finally went with synaptic because I tried it and like it. I s

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 05:08:01PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: > Don't forget that there's more to aptitude than the full-screen > interface; you can also use it on the command line: > > aptitude install x > aptitude remove x And then you find that its dependency resolution is different

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 01:48:38PM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: > Obstinate trolls lacking the ability to learn or even RTFM. Yes, every single person that has ever filed a bug against aptitude for something stupid it does is obviously a troll, and its maintainer is obviously a god for his Barbie-li

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 09:44:02AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Of course it's best to always use aptitude if one is going to use it at > all, but I cannot think of situations where it might be dangerous to use > plain dpkg/apt. Because aptitude by default ignores holds placed by dpkg/dselect. -

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday July 14 2005 9:36 am, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 05:08:01PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: > >Don't forget that there's more to aptitude than the full-screen > >interface; you can also use it on the command line: > > But aptitude is missing a command like "apt-get buil

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday July 14 2005 2:27 am, Paul Scott wrote: > Adam Hardy wrote: > > Paul Scott on 14/07/05 09:05, wrote: > >> It has never broken my box. apt-get (before I learned about > >> apt-listbugs) broke my box once and I upgrade packages almost > >> every day. > > > > apt-get is all I use - there'

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday July 14 2005 12:44 am, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Marc Wilson: > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:42:49PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > > Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work > > > around it. > > > > Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, with ideas about > > dependenc

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wednesday July 13 2005 10:21 pm, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:42:49PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work > > around it. > > Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, with ideas about dependency > resolution different from

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Jules Dubois
On Thursday 14 July 2005 02:05, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > >>Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, >> > Who is this "we all?" Obstinate trolls lacking the ability to learn or even RTFM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 05:08:01PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: Don't forget that there's more to aptitude than the full-screen interface; you can also use it on the command line: But aptitude is missing a command like "apt-get build-dep". With this you can install the build dependencies for a

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Roel Schroeven
Adam Hardy wrote: apt-get is all I use - there's too much for me to deal with in the GUI programs, and combined with a bunch of single-key commands, I find it difficult. I use apt-get install x apt-get remove x apt-cache search x and that's it. But I am a relative newby at the ga

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Ibrahim Mubarak
--- Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adam Hardy wrote: > > > Paul Scott on 14/07/05 09:05, wrote: > > > >>> > >>> > >> It has never broken my box. apt-get (before I learned about > >> apt-listbugs) broke my box once and I upgrade packages almost > every day. > >> > > > > apt-get is all

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:23:54 -0700 Jason Edson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/12/05, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Scott wrote: > > > > > Robert Vangel wrote: > > > > > >> Paul Scott wrote: > > >> > > >>> Don't I need xserver-xorg which is dependent on xserver-common > > > >>>

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Scott
Adam Hardy wrote: Paul Scott on 14/07/05 09:05, wrote: It has never broken my box. apt-get (before I learned about apt-listbugs) broke my box once and I upgrade packages almost every day. apt-get is all I use - there's too much for me to deal with in the GUI programs, Synaptic is GU

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Adam Hardy
Paul Scott on 14/07/05 09:05, wrote: with ideas about dependency resolution different from the known universe, so if you're going to use it, don't mix it with any other package management. It *will* break your box. It has never broken my box. apt-get (before I learned about apt-listbugs)

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Paul Scott
Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:42:49PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work around it. Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, Who is this "we all?" I started using aptitude because a number of people on this list th

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-14 Thread Jochen Schulz
Marc Wilson: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:42:49PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > > Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work around it. > > Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, with ideas about dependency > resolution different from the known universe, so if you're going to use

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Allan Wind
On 2005-07-13T22:21:29-0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, with ideas about dependency > resolution different from the known universe, so if you're going to use it, > don't mix it with any other package management. aptitude has worked out great for me, so I guess that

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:42:49PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work around it. Yes, but we all know aptitude is crap, with ideas about dependency resolution different from the known universe, so if you're going to use it, don't mix it with

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Lorenzo Taylor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Scott's comments on Re: xorg in sid were as follows: # Don't I need xserver-xorg which is dependent on xserver-common > # 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 and therefore not installable? Mine did install and it shows that the correct xserver-common

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Rob Bochan
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 10:31 pm, Paul Scott wrote: > I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages > to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? Installed it on a couple of laptops with no problems. Unfortunately for this machine, xorg doesn't like my Voodoo5 for

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Paul Scott wrote: I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? xfree86 in all(?) Debian versions has the server isolateDevice option. I would presume(?) that the Sid Xorg version that also has, the Ubuntu Xorg has

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-13 Thread Erik Steffl
Paul Scott wrote: I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? the new open gl packages remove the old ones and thus whole bunch of programs: apt-get install libglu1-xorg (or x-window-system-core wich installs li

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Paul Scott
Jason Edson wrote: On 7/12/05, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paul Scott wrote: Yes, i386. aptitude here doesn't think so. I'm trying to work around it. apt-get lets me install xserver-xorg. aptitude doesn't. I installed xorg in unstable today with synaptic and

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Jason Edson
On 7/12/05, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Scott wrote: > > > Robert Vangel wrote: > > > >> Paul Scott wrote: > >> > >>> Don't I need xserver-xorg which is dependent on xserver-common > > >>> 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 and therefore not installable? > >>> > >> > >> > >> i386? http://packages.deb

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Paul Scott
Paul Scott wrote: Robert Vangel wrote: Paul Scott wrote: Don't I need xserver-xorg which is dependent on xserver-common > 6.8.2.dfsg.1-1 and therefore not installable? i386? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-common version looks fine to me...? Yes, i386. aptitude here

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Paul Scott
Robert Vangel wrote: Paul Scott wrote: Lorenzo Taylor wrote: Paul Scott's comments on xorg in sid were as follows: # I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages # to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? My aptitude removed xfree86 and replaced it

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Robert Vangel
Paul Scott wrote: > Lorenzo Taylor wrote: > >> Paul Scott's comments on xorg in sid were as follows: >> # I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough >> packages # to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? >> >> My aptitude removed xfree86 and replaced it with xorg. I h

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Paul Scott
Lorenzo Taylor wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Scott's comments on xorg in sid were as follows: # I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages # to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? My aptitude removed xfree86 and replaced it

Re: xorg in sid

2005-07-12 Thread Lorenzo Taylor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Scott's comments on xorg in sid were as follows: # I see that some xorg packages are now in sid. Are there enough packages # to switch from xfree86? Are there any problems? My aptitude removed xfree86 and replaced it with xorg. I have had no