Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-27 Thread Lucas Albers
somebody said: >>>systems every day. I've been doing it on about 10 systems for about 2 >>>years, and haven't had a lot of trouble; indeed once my mail servers >>> went >>>down for a few hours for that reason, but my mail servers are always >>> looking >>>for an excuse to go down. Use ssh-agent, a

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-26 Thread Nate Duehr
Karsten M. Self wrote: on Wed, May 19, 2004 at 08:07:46PM -0400, David Gaudine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: and if ththeresroblem with MTMTApgrade ?:) True, now and then I have to count the subject lines to make sure all systems are accounted for. But it's still better than logging in to all the sys

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, May 19, 2004 at 08:07:46PM -0400, David Gaudine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > and if ththeresroblem with MTMTApgrade ?:) > > True, now and then I have to count the subject lines to make sure all > systems are accounted for. But it's still better than logging in to all the > systems every

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Marc Shapiro
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Michael Kahle wrote: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do it; there are lots of ways it can break. I have heard this m

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread David Gaudine
> and if ththeresroblem with MTMTApgrade ?:) True, now and then I have to count the subject lines to make sure all systems are accounted for. But it's still better than logging in to all the systems every day. I've been doing it on about 10 systems for about 2 years, and haven't had a lot of tro

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Ping Wing
--- David GaGaudinedadavidmemclaboconcordiaa> wrote: > > I know that this is not recommended. But I often > set up DeDebianachines > > for "friends" who have virtually no clue > whatsoever and no intentions > > of changing this. The machines are obviously not > very important but I > > want to prov

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread David Gaudine
> I know that this is not recommended. But I often set up Debian machines > for "friends" who have virtually no clue whatsoever and no intentions > of changing this. The machines are obviously not very important but I > want to provide at least a minimal level of security because if I do not > it w

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Ping Wing
> > In my opinion semi-automaticaly updates sound scary > itself... > > - Martin I agree, and I never use it. But still, even on manual updates , it can cause problem. cheers, http://www.axeltabs.com/ __ axel __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Ya

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:59:28PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: > > Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such > > as conffile merges. > > Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults > > you get with the > > noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. > > well but lets assume i

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Ping Wing
> Upgrades require interaction from time to time, such > as conffile merges. > Even with packages that use debconf, the defaults > you get with the > noninteractive frontend aren't always what you want. well but lets assume i have little router ticking somewhere. only sshd listening. If I configu

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Ping Wing
> Every Debian init.d script that starts a daemon says > something like > "Starting web server: apache." > some processes take long time to finish. slurpd hangs sometime mystically or takes long to finish. I think it could cause probelms if I start it again before its done. some scripts are ok

RE: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Michael Kahle
On Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:42 AM Colin Watson wrote: >On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Michael Kahle wrote: >> Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: >>> I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do >>> it; there are lots of ways it can break. >> >>

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Michael Kahle: > Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: > > I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do > > it; there are lots of ways it can break. > > I have heard this mentioned before. Could you elaborate? Why is this a > problem? Please e

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 10:19:29AM -0500, Michael Kahle wrote: > Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: > > I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do > > it; there are lots of ways it can break. > > I have heard this mentioned before. Could you elaborate?

RE: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Michael Kahle
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:14 AM Colin Watson wrote: > I *strongly* recommend against upgrading by cron job. Just don't do > it; there are lots of ways it can break. I have heard this mentioned before. Could you elaborate? Why is this a problem? Please excuse my inexperience here. Michael --

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Matthias Czapla
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 11:14:12AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Ok, please forget _why_ I ask. The question remains - are the release > > codenames equivalent to "stable"/"testing" in sources.list? I dont > > You can safely use the codenames. Ok, thank you! > > And Greg, please think of machin

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Martin Fluch
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:38:33PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: > frankly, the fact that debian puts 'stable' in source.list > automatically is littlebit scaring. For example when sarge is new > stable one day, and im doing another (semi-)automatic apt-get upgrade, > theres good chance that this messe

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 03:13:23AM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:22:04PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:54, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing for > > > the distribution specifier in /e

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 01:38:33PM -0700, Ping Wing wrote: > Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing > > for the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this > > cause trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new > > distribu

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-18 Thread Ping Wing
> Sarge *SUDDENLY* becoming Stable. Don't make me > laugh. > > We aren't even into freeze yet. > > When that happens, then you should maybe worry about > that. it doesnt matter when it happen. I must read news every day, be prepared to change all my sources.list when it happens? thing is that

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-18 Thread Matthias Czapla
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:22:04PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:54, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing for > > the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this cause > > trouble? Im afraid of an unwant

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-18 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:54, Matthias Czapla wrote: > Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of stable and testing for > the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list or can this cause > trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new distribution when > testing suddenly becomes stabl

Re: woody/sarge vs. stable/testing in sources.list

2004-05-18 Thread Ping Wing
> Can I safely use "woody" or "sarge" instead of > stable and testing for > the distribution specifier in /etc/apt/sources.list > or can this cause > trouble? Im afraid of an unwanted upgrade to a new > distribution when > testing suddenly becomes stable. yes you can and imho it makse very much s