Re: wicd trouble -- continued

2016-07-31 Thread Brian
On Sat 30 Jul 2016 at 12:45:50 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 29 Jul 2016 at 16:44:43 -0600, ghe wrote: > > > When I set up a static IP, wicd fills in the net mask and the default router > > automatically. I don't know where it gets the info, but the values and the > > table are the same as the tab

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2016-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 15:15:52 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:27 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > 2016/07/28 07:35:36 :: Flushing the routing table... > > And that's when wicd deletes the routes. But if the table had been set > up by wicd to use the eth0 interface, it w

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2016-07-30 Thread Brian
On Fri 29 Jul 2016 at 16:44:43 -0600, ghe wrote: > On 07/29/2016 07:22 AM, Brian wrote: > > >It obviously wasn't a reasonable routing table. :) The control socket in > >/run probably disappeared too. > > Yes it was. Same as I've been using on that net forever. Not much thought went into my rema

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2016-07-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 29 July 2016 18:07:43 Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:18 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote: > >> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a > >> static IP, it successfully connected. It even got the I

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2016-07-29 Thread ghe
On 07/29/2016 07:22 AM, Brian wrote: It obviously wasn't a reasonable routing table. :) The control socket in /run probably disappeared too. Yes it was. Same as I've been using on that net forever. When I set up a static IP, wicd fills in the net mask and the default router automatically. I

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2016-07-29 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Brian wrote: > > You really intended to delete my perceptive and informative mail and not > reply to it? I'm in a state of shock and will have to leave this > conversation and have a lie down. No, Brian. What I was trying to do was to delete my half-thought-out r

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2016-07-29 Thread Brian
On Fri 29 Jul 2016 at 12:08:16 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > > On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > > > > >> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian wrote: > >> > >> The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp > >> server? With a wired connection a

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2016-07-29 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > >> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian wrote: >> >> The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp >> server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and >> I suspect the initial communicati

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2016-07-29 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian wrote: > > The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp > server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and > I suspect the initial communication involves a MAC and not an IP address. > > With WiFi the purpo

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2016-07-29 Thread Brian
On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 15:15:52 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:27 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > > The answer may lie in the logs. Mine contains the lines > > > > 2016/07/28 07:35:36 :: Setting false IP... ←-- > > Ah! They set an IP that will get to the

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2016-07-29 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:18 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote: >> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a static >> IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up for the laptop >> over on the DHCP server's conf

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2016-07-29 Thread Brian
On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 18:01:07 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > Indeed; presumably it has decided association and authentication with > > the access point has successfully taken place and the interface has got > > an IP number. However, there does

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2016-07-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote: > But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a static > IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up for the laptop > over on the DHCP server's config. Ah! There's the clue, I would guess. You had reserve

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2016-07-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Brian wrote: > > Indeed; presumably it has decided association and authentication with > the access point has successfully taken place and the interface has got > an IP number. However, there does not appear to be routing between the > interface and the AP. When I

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2016-07-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 28 July 2016 22:15:52 Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:27 PM, David Wright > > wrote: > > > > The answer may lie in the logs. Mine contains the lines > > > > 2016/07/28 07:35:36 :: Setting false IP... ←-- > > Ah! They set an IP that will get to the DHC

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2016-07-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 28 July 2016 20:18:38 Brian wrote: > And if they did it could just as well be wicd (NM) as NM (wicd). Indeed. I take as much care not to have NM on the computer with wicd as vice versa. In that saga you helped with so signally, you may have noticed that I tried both several times -

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2016-07-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:27 PM, David Wright wrote: > > The answer may lie in the logs. Mine contains the lines > > 2016/07/28 07:35:36 :: Setting false IP... ←-- Ah! They set an IP that will get to the DHCP server. I assume that the AP will send out something on the Ethern

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2016-07-28 Thread David Wright
On 2016-07-25 18:53, Glenn English wrote: > What does "Verifying access point association" mean, and what do you > do to make it OK? On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 13:03:13 (-0600), Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Brian wrote: > > It is wpa_supplicant which does the association and a

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2016-07-28 Thread Brian
On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 15:01:14 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 28 July 2016 14:35:09 Mike McGinn wrote: > > > > I had some trouble with wicd which I cured by making sure that network > > manager was not running. Make sure NM is stopped and does not start. > > ... by uninstalling it. No, b

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2016-07-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> Don't think so. NM, IIRC, implies Gnome, […] > > NACK > > I run NM without any of the big desktop environments. OK. I remember incorrectly, or I got some bad info. But I still think that's not the problem -- there's no NM around her

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2016-07-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Brian wrote: > > Indeed; presumably it has decided association and authentication with > the access point has successfully taken place and the interface has got > an IP number. However, there does not appear to be routing between the > interface and the AP. Wicd '

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2016-07-28 Thread Jochen Spieker
Glenn English: > > On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Mike McGinn > > wrote: > > > > I had some trouble with wicd which I cured by making sure that > > network manager was not running. Make sure NM is stopped and does > > not start. > > Don't think so. NM, IIRC, implies Gnome, […] NACK I run NM with

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2016-07-28 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Mike McGinn wrote: > > I had some trouble with wicd which I cured by making sure that network > manager was not running. Make sure NM is stopped and does not start. Don't think so. NM, IIRC, implies Gnome, and my GUI is XFCD. There's already no NM anywhere. --

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2016-07-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 28 July 2016 14:35:09 Mike McGinn wrote: > On 07/28/2016 07:36 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 27 Jul 2016 at 22:36:01 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > >>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Glenn English wrote: > >>> > >>> What does "Verifying access point association" mean > >> > >> After some lo

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2016-07-28 Thread Mike McGinn
On 07/28/2016 07:36 AM, Brian wrote: On Wed 27 Jul 2016 at 22:36:01 -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Glenn English wrote: What does "Verifying access point association" mean After some looking around, I found that a failure in that phase of connecting means that wi

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2016-07-28 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Jul 2016 at 22:36:01 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > > > What does "Verifying access point association" mean > > After some looking around, I found that a failure in that phase of > connecting means that wicd tried to ping the AP 1

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2016-07-27 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > What does "Verifying access point association" mean After some looking around, I found that a failure in that phase of connecting means that wicd tried to ping the AP 10 times, and failed. > what do you do to make it OK? I still have no