Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Wulfy
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Fri, Aug 1 well, my experience with a power-up not "catching" ended up being a failing mobo. I think it can come from failing memory too. I think it can also come from a failing power supply that doesn't give enough juice over all the lines resulting in some parts

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 11, 2006 at 12:18:44AM +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >>Well, half done. The reboot hangs after the keyboard lights flash and > >>before the BIOS screen shows... I have to power off by the button and > >>power on again. And that doesn't always work. > >> >

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Wulfy
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Well, half done. The reboot hangs after the keyboard lights flash and before the BIOS screen shows... I have to power off by the button and power on again. And that doesn't always work. I've been watching this thread, and I think you might be facing a hardwa

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
> Well, half done. The reboot hangs after the keyboard lights flash and > before the BIOS screen shows... I have to power off by the button and > power on again. And that doesn't always work. I've been watching this thread, and I think you might be facing a hardware problem there. If the mach

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: I see. I only hopped into this thread after the post in which you asked about the KDE power control settings and the error messages about the incomplete ACPI installation. From that I got the impression that you wanted to activate these laptop-specific ACPI features in KDE.

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 19:34:27 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > >ACPI seems to be broken for you. Are there any "helpful" error messages > >during boot? Try to run > > > >dmesg | grep -i acpi > > > >ACPI can be a real pain in the neck on some hardware. Your best bet is > >probably to

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: ACPI seems to be broken for you. Are there any "helpful" error messages during boot? Try to run dmesg | grep -i acpi ACPI can be a real pain in the neck on some hardware. Your best bet is probably to go to tuxmobil.org and see how far other people have gotten with your lap

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: ACPI seems to be broken for you. Are there any "helpful" error messages during boot? Try to run dmesg | grep -i acpi ACPI can be a real pain in the neck on some hardware. Your best bet is probably to go to tuxmobil.org and see how far other people have gotten with your lap

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-10 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 23:58:48 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > >I think that KDE should recognize that the AC adapter and the battery > >ACPI modules are loaded. Let's check some ACPI functions: Do you have > >the /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ and /proc/acpi/battery/ directories? Test if >

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: I think that KDE should recognize that the AC adapter and the battery ACPI modules are loaded. Let's check some ACPI functions: Do you have the /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ and /proc/acpi/battery/ directories? Test if you can do things like: (The sub-directories might have diff

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 06:49:15 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] > >Try to modprobe "ac", "power" and "battery" and check if that makes any > >difference. > acpi-related modules in lsmod; > > thermal12816 0 > fan 4044 0 > button

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 19:23:55 +0100, Wulfy wrote: Liam O'Toole wrote: I don't know of a module called 'power'. Try this command to find power-related modules: find /lib/modules/$(uname-r) -name *power* I ran the command; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /l

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 19:23:55 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Liam O'Toole wrote: > >I don't know of a module called 'power'. Try this command to find > >power-related modules: > > > >find /lib/modules/$(uname-r) -name *power* > > I ran the command; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /lib/modules/$(uname

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Wulfy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:12:59AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 22:54, Wulfy wrote: Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the case? Yes, but it generally requires lightning for approximately the same

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Wulfy
Liam O'Toole wrote: I don't know of a module called 'power'. Try this command to find power-related modules: find /lib/modules/$(uname-r) -name *power* I ran the command; [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name *power* /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/c

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:12:59AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 22:54, Wulfy wrote: > > > Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the > > case? > > Yes, but it generally requires lightning for approximately the same reasons > changing a moth

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 22:54, Wulfy wrote: > Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the > case? Yes, but it generally requires lightning for approximately the same reasons changing a motherboard without opening the case requires high explosives. :o) -- Paul J

Re: (Solved) Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread michael
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 13:34 +0200, Alexander Farber wrote: > Hello, > > I have same problem with my dual-PIII HP Kayak XAs (dmesg attached > below) running Debian 3.1 r2 and kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge4. > > Could you please elaborate, how could I use APM instead of ACPI? > > Regards > Alex My

Re: (Solved) Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Alexander Farber
Hello, I have same problem with my dual-PIII HP Kayak XAs (dmesg attached below) running Debian 3.1 r2 and kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge4. Could you please elaborate, how could I use APM instead of ACPI? Regards Alex -- http://preferans.de On 8/8/06, Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Y

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-09 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:49:15 +0100 Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 23:27:06 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > > > >> Further to the last e-mail: > >> > >> I removed apm using aptitude, it removed libapm0 and > >> powermgmt-base as well. Then I checked i

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Wulfy wrote: I have one 80GiB(? new units I think?) HD and a CDROM. nVidia video card. There's not a lot attached... I hope it's not power supply related... :( Is there any way to check the power supply's wattage without opening the case? Possibly. Look in the back where the power cab

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Wulfy wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that Define "very hot weather". We've been two weeks now hitting a high over 100F (38C) here in Texas.

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:46:39PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 11:39, Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that when I

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 23:27:06 +0100, Wulfy wrote: Further to the last e-mail: I removed apm using aptitude, it removed libapm0 and powermgmt-base as well. Then I checked in my BIOS setup and there's no mention anywhere of apm though acpi defaults to S1 (I think th

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Mike McCarty wrote: Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that Define "very hot weather". We've been two weeks now hitting a high over 100F (38C) here in Texas. [snip] Mike Som

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 04:46:39PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 11:39, Wulfy wrote: > > > I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in > > the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that > > when I hit the power switch, it

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 11:39, Wulfy wrote: > I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in > the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that > when I hit the power switch, it didn't always "catch", the power supply > and fan started but the boot

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 00:07, Serena Cantor wrote: > Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power cord. Or you could hold the power button down for four seconds after it says System Halted. > Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. Same with Debian. Make sure apm is turned on. -- Pa

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 23:27:06 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Liam O'Toole wrote: > >I suspect that the kernel has acpi enabled. You can check by seeing > >if the directory /proc/acpi exists and is populated. To use apm, > >you will need to disable acpi. You do this by passing the argument > >'acpi=off'

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mike McCarty
Wulfy wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. So I had to reboot a lot. I noticed that Define "very hot weather". We've been two weeks now hitting a high over 100F (38C) here in Texas. [snip] Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){pr

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Liam O'Toole wrote: I suspect that the kernel has acpi enabled. You can check by seeing if the directory /proc/acpi exists and is populated. To use apm, you will need to disable acpi. You do this by passing the argument 'acpi=off' to the kernel, either on the grub command line or in the grub con

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:39:59 +0100 Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a similar problem. During the recent very hot weather here in the UK, my box kept crashing. Not something we have to worry about very often :-) True! :) [...] I followed the abo

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:39:59 +0100 Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Liam O'Toole wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) > > Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4. > >> > >> It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which u

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Wulfy
Liam O'Toole wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4. It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which use kernel 2.6, in Dec, 2006 APM (Advanced Power Management) should work with that kernel.

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Serena Cantor wrote: I installed kernel 2.6 in the past, it has many problems. Thanks to other nice guys, the problem is solved. Thanks anyway! > You are right. My PC is old, I try apm, it works! Maybe your kernel 2.6 problems will be gone as well on using apm? Just guessing, but you could try

Re: (Solved) Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 08.08.06 06:21, Serena Cantor wrote: > You are right. My PC is old, I try apm, it works! I have an old PC (Dell Optiplex GX1 - P3/500). I forcibly loaded ACPI module and it works. I can turn off the machine, even using power button. This probably won't work on all PC's, but if you don't mind t

(Solved) Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Serena Cantor
You are right. My PC is old, I try apm, it works! Thanks! --- Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Serena Cantor wrote: > > Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power > cord. > > Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. > > > > How should I do? Thanks! > > This is usually a problem with co

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Colin
Serena Cantor wrote: > Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power cord. > Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. > > How should I do? Thanks! This is usually a problem with computer made before 2001 (Pentium 3 and older). In these cases you have to use apm instead of acpi. -- To UNSU

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 12:07:42AM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: > Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power cord. > Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. > > How should I do? Thanks! Hi Serena, these are related to apm/acpi support for power management. You need to load the correct kerne

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Serena Cantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4. > > It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which use > kernel 2.6, in Dec, 2006 APM (Advanced Power Management) should work with that kernel. Is the apm module alread

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mumia W.
On 08/08/2006 02:21 AM, Mirco Piccin wrote: Hi Serena! Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power cord. Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. Which Kernel are u using? It happens also to me, using kernel 2.4.x (in some machine, of course, not in all). After upgrading to kernel 2.6.x

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Mirco Piccin wrote: If you want you can install Debian Sarge 3.1 with kernel 2.6 simply tiping "linux26" at the boot prompt (during the installation, of course). No need for a new installation. You can install a 2.6 kernel via aptitude/apt-get. Read the instructions for upgrading the kernel in

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mirco Piccin
Hi again!Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4.It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which usekernel 2.6, in Dec, 2006If you want you can install Debian Sarge 3.1 with kernel 2.6 simply tiping "linux26" at the boot prompt (during the installation, of course). Bye!

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks! I use sarge's default kernel, 2.4. It seems that I would wait for Debian 4.0, which use kernel 2.6, in Dec, 2006 --- Mirco Piccin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Serena! > > }} Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power > cord. > }} Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff. > > W

Re: why sarge can't power off PC

2006-08-08 Thread Mirco Piccin
Hi Serena!}} Every time I shutdown, I have to unplug power cord.}} Other distro, such as mandrake can poweroff.Which Kernel are u using?It happens also to me, using kernel 2.4.x (in some machine, of course, not in all). After upgrading to kernel 2.6.x , this problem seems to be solved (for me, but