Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Jude DaShiell wrote: > If you buy a computer and you have any doubt at all in your mind as to the > legality of the copy of windows that is already on the machine's hard > drive, erase entire hard drive and install Debian on machine. Preaching to the choir. > Had a Russian Principal done this he

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-13 Thread Michael M.
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 17:53 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Dave Sherohman wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 01:54:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > > > >>John Hasler wrote: > >> > >>>There is no theft involved here. > >> > >>Are you aware of the details of the case? How do you know that no > >>thef

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-12 Thread John Hasler
Dave Sherohman writes: > Yes, copyright infringement is illegal. Yes, it does fall under criminal > law as of the passage of the DMCA. Criminal copyright infringement preceded the DMCA. It still is not theft, however. This is a matter of settled law with clear precedents. Calling someone who h

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-12 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 05:53:33PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Dave Sherohman wrote: > >I believe his point was that copyright violation is not theft. > > I believe he is wrong, in the USA, at least. You might investigate the > DMCA. AIUI, copyright violation has been moved from being a tort to >

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Dave Sherohman wrote: On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 01:54:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: John Hasler wrote: There is no theft involved here. Are you aware of the details of the case? How do you know that no theft was involved? I believe his point was that copyright violation is not theft. I

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-10 Thread Wackojacko
Marcus Blumhagen wrote: And BTW, one does not necissarily need an extra HD to run both Windows _and_ Linux. Windows isn't even capable of messing with linux, since it can't interact with any of the filesystem types or partitions. Not strictly true :). There is an ext2 plugin for windows, w

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread John Hasler
Dave Sherohman writes: > While copyright violation may arguably prevent you from receiving profit > that would have come from a sale, it does not take anything from you that > you already possessed. In the US it is not even copyright infringement to purchase a used computer with Microsoft Windows

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 03:39:57AM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > If you buy a computer and you have any doubt at all in your mind as to the > legality of the copy of windows that is already on the machine's hard > drive, erase entire hard drive and install Debian on machine. Sorry, but that is t

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 01:54:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >There is no theft involved here. > > Are you aware of the details of the case? How do you know that no > theft was involved? I believe his point was that copyright violation is not theft. (While copyright viola

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread Mike McCarty
John Hasler wrote: Mike McCarty writes: I dunno about the law in Russia, but in Texas what is illegal is *knowingly* receiving stolen goods. There is no theft involved here. Are you aware of the details of the case? How do you know that no theft was involved? Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){pr

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread John Hasler
Mike McCarty writes: > I dunno about the law in Russia, but in Texas what is illegal is > *knowingly* receiving stolen goods. There is no theft involved here. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread Mike McCarty
Jude DaShiell wrote: an off-topic message If you buy a computer and you have any doubt at all in your mind as to the legality of the copy of windows that is already on the machine's hard drive, erase entire hard drive and install Debian on machine. Had IANAL I dunno about the law in Russi

Re: when in doubt wipe it out

2007-02-09 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Jude DaShiell wrote: > If you buy a computer and you have any doubt at all in your mind as > to the legality of the copy of windows that is already on the > machine's hard drive, erase entire hard drive and install Debian on > machine. So, what? We are on a debian user list and not on a legal s