Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

On Montag, 22. August 2022 14:47:15 -04 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or > > > one on a specific VM stac

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a > > specific VM stack (using Linux as base)? > > At this point, I've requested two books on

Re: Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 01:58:57PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: It just seems documentation ought to be better / simpler / easier to use than that. There's an inverse correlation between completeness and simplicity. If you don't want to read a 700 page book, the other alternative is to sp

Rant: The need for books to document things (was: Re: Virtual Machines)

On Monday, August 22, 2022 08:50:02 AM Tom Browder wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a > specific VM stack (using Linux as base)? I applaud someone wanting / willing to read a book ;-) (I'm smiling, but I am serious.) I also applaud the recommedati

Re: Virtual Machines

On 8/22/2022 8:50 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good book on the general topic of VMs? Or one on a > specific VM stack (using Linux as  base)? > > Thanks. > > -Tom This looks like a comprehensive and reasonably up-to-date online book: https://linuxhandbook.com/virtualization/

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

> "Unti recently" because there now is a way to do data retention, but: > "bup only has experimental support for pruning old backups." Indeed, it's a relatively new feature, but it's been working fine in my tests. Stefan

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method >>> compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much >>> smaller. >> Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using >> large files with only marginal changes inside) and I

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

>> However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method >> compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much smaller. > Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using > large files with only marginal changes inside) and I have been using it > for my Virtu

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

RavenLX wrote: > However, the virtual hard disk is a pretty large size. My method > compresses it further so that the size of the backup is much smaller. Have a look at "borg". It is ideal to backup VMs (or anything using large files with only marginal changes inside) and I have been using it fo

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 05/18/2017 09:35 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: This is the most unbelievable overkill. Windows VMs work just fine in VirtualBox. When it comes to backup, I have my backup scripts check the machines are down and if they are, include the virtual disks in the main system backup, and if not, skip them

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

> Yes for VM it is possible only if you use ESX server and licensed VM Ware Then better use Free Software, such as kvm, VirtualBox, ... Stefan

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

>> There are the so called snapshots, which you can make and then include in >> your back up. No need to down the VM. [...] > I may be wrong but I don't think snapshots can be scheduled, but rather > must be initiated I have no idea what that means. The way it normally works is that you have a

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote: >> craigswin wrote: >> >> > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative >> > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run >> > Vectorworks. >> >> VMs come with a penalty i

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Mark Fletcher wrote: > I may be wrong but I don't think snapshots can be scheduled, but rather > must be initiated -- so not really suitable for an automated backup > solution. And as the conventional wisdom goes, if a backup isn't > automated, you're not doing a backup. > Yes for VM it is possi

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:03:56PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > craigswin wrote: > > > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative > > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks. > > VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality >

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:10:00PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > >> On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: > >> > > There are the so called snapshots, whi

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: >> On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: >> > >> > >> >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: >> >> But booting into a Windows VM is hard. You can't back up/export without >> losing your license and having to call

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

craigswin wrote: > Can you expand on that?  New to VMs, considering them as an alternative > to dualboot, with Stretch as host and Win7 as a guest to run Vectorworks. VMs come with a penalty in performance and functionality, but assuming Vectorworks runs on the pure windows machine it may run in

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 09:35:48 AM Mark Fletcher wrote: > This is the most unbelievable overkill. Windows VMs work just fine in > VirtualBox. When it comes to backup, I have my backup scripts check the > machines are down and if they are, include the virtual disks in the main > system backup, an

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:57:57PM -0400, RavenLX wrote: > On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: > > > > > >On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: > > But booting into a Windows VM is hard. You can't back up/export without > losing your license and having to call MS (which is why I don't even b

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 05/17/2017 12:42 PM, craigswin wrote: On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: Those Windows VMs though are a pain. Just warning you. If you don't absolutely NEED one, I'd advise not even bothering. I'm seriously considering just deleting mine. Can you expand on that? New to VMs, conside

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 05/17/2017 06:03 AM, RavenLX wrote: Those Windows VMs though are a pain. Just warning you. If you don't absolutely NEED one, I'd advise not even bothering. I'm seriously considering just deleting mine. Can you expand on that? New to VMs, considering them as an alternative to dualboot,

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Raven, Thanks! Randy Kramer On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:03:51 AM RavenLX wrote: --< good stuff snipped >--

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 05/14/2017 07:51 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used a VM but I wanted to ask some newbie questions about them. I regularly use Virtual Machines quite a lot for testing purposes. I'll be glad to cover your questions. For these questions, I'll be answering them based on using Vir

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On May 14, 2017 06:51, wrote: * Is it right to consider that there is somehow a base OS and the other VMs somehow are set up on top of it--you boot into that base OS first, and then have the ability to switch to another VM. OK, I'm thinking that is not the case--I think I've heard of things

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 14/05/17 23:51, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: * Can I C&P between (applicatons in) different VMs and/or the base OS? While you can do this in emulators like VMWare Player, QEMU does not support it. A popular solution for QEMU is Spice . A sim

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On 15/05/17 02:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: For my VMs which shall be operated without graphics screen, i let qemu forward a host port (here 4567) to port 22 of the guest, where a SSH server will be set up by installation to offer login: qemu-system-x86_64 ... \ -net nic -net

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

On Sun, 14 May 2017 07:51:18 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I've never used a VM but I wanted to ask some newbie questions about > them. Then first you should read the manual and the FAQs. Here's the link to the Documentation page for VirtualBox, one of the more popular and easy to set up V

Re: Virtual Machines: Newbie / novice questions

Hi, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > * Is it right to consider that there is somehow a base OS Normally there is a single real computer with its OS that runs virtual computers as "guests". (The Cloud might have its own habits to host VMs.) > I'm guessing that the machine boots first into the hyperv

Re: virtual machines and winxp

On Tuesday 13 Oct 2009, Alan Chandler wrote: > On Monday 12 Oct 2009, Alan Chandler wrote: > > Yes it was that bug. I downgraded to 72 and it now works. > > Unfortunately this version seems to not allow me to dynamically > > connect a usb device (at least the error message says the > > hypervisor

Re: virtual machines and winxp

On Monday 12 Oct 2009, Alan Chandler wrote: > Yes it was that bug. I downgraded to 72 and it now works. > Unfortunately this version seems to not allow me to dynamically > connect a usb device (at least the error message says the hypervisor > does not support the hostdev xml that I was trying t

Re: virtual machines and winxp

On Sunday 11 Oct 2009, Matthew Moore wrote: > On Sunday October 11 2009 6:50:25 am Alan Chandler wrote: > > I am not sure where to go next. I can roll back the image to pre > > sp2 upgrade (I took a copy just prior to doing the upgrade) and > > that works fine, but as soon as I do the remote updat

Re: virtual machines and winxp

On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 10:56 -0600, Matthew Moore wrote: > On Sunday October 11 2009 6:50:25 am Alan Chandler wrote: > > I am not sure where to go next. I can roll back the image to pre sp2 > > upgrade (I took a copy just prior to doing the upgrade) and that works > > fine, but as soon as I do the

Re: virtual machines and winxp

On Sunday October 11 2009 6:50:25 am Alan Chandler wrote: > I am not sure where to go next. I can roll back the image to pre sp2 > upgrade (I took a copy just prior to doing the upgrade) and that works > fine, but as soon as I do the remote update from microsoft the image is > corrupted and I am s

Re: virtual machines and winxp

I was running XP under KVM and, fairly recently, it stopped working. The symptoms differ from yours; XP starts and then very quickly crashes. I don't know if it was changes to XP or something else on my system that triggered this. I'm running Lenny on amd64 with a 2.6.30 kernel. My plan, when I

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Nate Bargmann wrote: * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 18:35 -0500]: Nate Bargmann wrote: * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the impossible ones

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

* Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 18:35 -0500]: > Nate Bargmann wrote: >> * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: >>> However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. >> That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the >> impossible ones possbile. > > Th

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike McCarty wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: >> * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: >> >>> However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. >> >> >> That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the >> impossible ones po

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. The emulators I tried are DOSEMU + Freedos, BOCHS + MSDOS 6.22, and QEMU + MSDOS 6.22.

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

On Aug 7, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: Nate Bargmann wrote: * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the impossible ones possbile. This is not an issue with

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Nate Bargmann wrote: * Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the impossible ones possbile. This is not an issue with the distro, it's a defect in the original packag

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

* Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Aug 07 17:29 -0500]: > However, I'd say installation is VERY HARD. That's why we use Debian, it makes the hard tasks easy and the impossible ones possbile. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur r

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Mike. Mike McCarty, 07.08.2007 09:22: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emu

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Aenn Seidhe Priest wrote: There's a Live CD based on Mandriva which has Virtualbox built-in. RAM requirements are bound to be very hefty, but 1 GB should be enough. $ head /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 248088 kB MemFree: 2916 kB Buffers: 9240 kB Cached: 51432 kB Swap

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Mathias Brodala wrote: Hi Mike. [about kqemu] No, I couldn't get it to build for me. How did you try? More than the following commands is not necessary: I downloaded the source and used the recommended commands. # apt-get install module-assistant # m-a prepare # m-a a-i kqemu # modpro

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

There's a Live CD based on Mandriva which has Virtualbox built-in. RAM requirements are bound to be very hefty, but 1 GB should be enough. http://mcnlive.org ("Virtual City" build). On 07.08.2007 at 2:22 Mike McCarty wrote: >Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >> Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> I recently develo

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Hi Mike. Mike McCarty, 07.08.2007 09:22: > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >> Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, >>> and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, >>> based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. > >

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Tom Grove wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. The emulators I tried are DOSEMU + Freedos, BOCHS + MSDOS 6.22, and

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. [snip] Did you run kqemu with qemu? No, I couldn't get

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

On Sunday 05 August 2007 16:23:12 B.Hoffmann wrote: > > I would like to see how VirtualBox stands up against the others. It > > seems to be the fastest emulator when it comes to Windows. Although this > > is only one person's opinion and there is no "scientific" evidence it > > just feels faster.

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

> I would like to see how VirtualBox stands up against the others. It seems to > be the fastest emulator when it comes to Windows. Although this is only one > person's opinion and there is no "scientific" evidence it just feels faster. > > -Tom > VB runs great here. I'm virtualizing Arch,

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: >> I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, >> and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, >> based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. >> >> The emulators I tried are DOSEMU + Freedos, BOCHS

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Tom Grove wrote: I would like to see how VirtualBox stands up against the others. It seems to be the fastest emulator when it comes to Windows. Although this is only one person's opinion and there is no "scientific" evidence it just feels faster. Post a URL. I have been running some bench

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. The emulators I tried are DOSEMU + Freedos, BOCHS + MSDOS 6.22, and QEMU + MSDOS 6.22.

Re: Virtual Machines/Emulators

Mike McCarty wrote: I recently developed a desire to run some emulators under Linux, and consequently have run some of them. Here are my opinions of them, based on install, ease of use, and speed of emulation. The emulators I tried are DOSEMU + Freedos, BOCHS + MSDOS 6.22, and QEMU + MSDOS 6.22.

Re: virtual machines

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 01:25:56AM +0100, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Hi, I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. I package both for Fedora and for Debian. For the moment, I use multiboot. But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribution. I intend t

Re: virtual machines

Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Hi, I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. I package both for Fedora and for Debian. For the moment, I use multiboot. But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribution. I intend to buy some amount of RAM and then try to u

Re: virtual machines

Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Hi, I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. I package both for Fedora and for Debian. For the moment, I use multiboot. But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribution. I intend to buy some amount of RAM and then try to u

Re: virtual machines

Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: Hi, I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. I package both for Fedora and for Debian. For the moment, I use multiboot. But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribution. I intend to buy some amount of RAM and then try to u

Re: virtual machines

Alexander Schmehl wrote: Hi! * Rakotomandimby Mihamina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [051218 01:25]: I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. I package both for Fedora and for Debian. For the moment, I use multiboot. But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribu

Re: virtual machines

Hi! * Rakotomandimby Mihamina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [051218 01:25]: > I have a test machine, on wich I use to package and test packages. > I package both for Fedora and for Debian. > For the moment, I use multiboot. > > But I am tired to reboot each time I want to switch distribution. > I intend t