Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-08 Thread dman
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:13:25AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: | If the config script can't tell the difference between a version 3 | config file and one for version 4, it's pretty dumb. The filenames | aren't even the same. If you are using X4 and have only XF86Config (not XF86Config-4) then it

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-08 Thread Craig Dickson
Bill Wohler wrote: > Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:58:09PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > > The bug affects only a tiny minority of users: I've seen three > > > reports on d-u counting mine so far. > > > > Make me number 4, unless you've already coun

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-08 Thread Bill Wohler
Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:58:09PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > The bug affects only a tiny minority of users: I've seen three > > reports on d-u counting mine so far. > > Make me number 4, unless you've already counted my comments from two > mont

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-08 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: [ dexconf ] > And I still say that this isn't needed. How can you say that? What about all those poor newbies who don't know how to read TFM and edit their XF86Config-4? Surely it's better to have a luser-friendly dancing paperclip create XF86Con

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-08 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 07:58:09PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > The bug affects only a tiny minority of users: I've seen three > reports on d-u counting mine so far. Make me number 4, unless you've already counted my comments from two months ago. And I still say that this isn't needed. If an

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Brian Nelson
Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > > Peter Jay Salzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... > > > "recovering" was no big deal. like you pointed out, it saved a copy of > > > the old file. but that's like congratulating someone for takin

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread John Hasler
Dimitri Maziuk writes: > The bug affects only a tiny minority of users: I've seen three reports on > d-u counting mine so far. You don't know that. For the reasons you cite, most users affected by the problem will just conclude that they don't know how to configure X (or perhaps decide it can't b

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > Peter Jay Salzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > > "recovering" was no big deal. like you pointed out, it saved a copy of > > the old file. but that's like congratulating someone for taking a shit > > in toilet. you'd *expect* it to go into

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Brian Nelson
Peter Jay Salzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > begin Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > what were you doing during the upgrade of the package? > > > > It clearly asked me if I wanted debconf to configure it. > > > > It even keeps a backup of the original, if you were doing it by hand and > >

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
begin Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sun, 2002-01-06 at 19:36, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > begin Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Thus spake Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > > > ok, my XF86Config-4 is all wrong now. i need to edit this file. if > > > > we're n

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Shaya Potter
On Sun, 2002-01-06 at 19:36, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > begin Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thus spake Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > ok, my XF86Config-4 is all wrong now. i need to edit this file. if > > > we're not supposed to edit between the "BEGIN DEBCONF" and

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Noah Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:19:35PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: > > > > I believe also that if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' you > > can choose the first option to not manage the file with debconf. > > However, I have not tried th

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread John Hasler
Carl Fink writes: > If the conf file just said "Run to unmanage this file. > Run to reconfigure using debconf," then this entire > thread could have been avoided. Or better, if it said "De[b|x]conf will merge changes made here". -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisco

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:00:57AM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > Exactly. Those who are screaming about bugs in dexconf and chattr +i > and all that garbage need to learn how the tools actually work before > trashing them. Basic principle of interface design: if a complaint occurs because the

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-07 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:19:35PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: > > I believe also that if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' you > can choose the first option to not manage the file with debconf. > However, I have not tried this. > Exactly. Those who are screaming about bugs in dex

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:19:35 -0500, "Justin R. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus spake John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > Many: my favorites are emacs and vi. Just edit the damn file and > > ignore the Yast^H^H^H^H Debconf stuff. If an upgrade destroys your > > changes file a bug. >

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
begin Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thus spake Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > ok, my XF86Config-4 is all wrong now. i need to edit this file. if > > we're not supposed to edit between the "BEGIN DEBCONF" and "END > > DEBCONF", how the hell am i supposed to get a working X

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Justin R. Miller
Thus spake John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Many: my favorites are emacs and vi. Just edit the damn file and > ignore the Yast^H^H^H^H Debconf stuff. If an upgrade destroys your > changes file a bug. I believe also that if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' you can choose the first op

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 06:05:08PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: > Try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. Maybe it's just me, but if that's required, isn't it a bug that it isn't mentioned *in the configuration file itself*? If that was in the file, a whole class of problems could be eliminat

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread John Hasler
Peter Jay Salzman writes: > is there a tool that allows us to change this file? Many: my favorites are emacs and vi. Just edit the damn file and ignore the Yast^H^H^H^H Debconf stuff. If an upgrade destroys your changes file a bug. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wi

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > after upgrading woody today, my XF86Config-4 file looks like: > >### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION ># ># If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make ># changes before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line abov

Re: this debconf stuff is crazy!

2002-01-06 Thread Justin R. Miller
Thus spake Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > ok, my XF86Config-4 is all wrong now. i need to edit this file. if > we're not supposed to edit between the "BEGIN DEBCONF" and "END > DEBCONF", how the hell am i supposed to get a working XFree86 again? > > is there a tool that allows us to c