2014/09/29 23:21 "green" :
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> Steve Litt wrote at 2014-09-28 22:04 -0500:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:52 -0500 green
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> > > Microkernels, as I understand, aim to support a highly modular system
> > > *design* but are themselves minimal (Minix 3 has about 4000 lines of
> > > executable ker
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-09-28 22:04 -0500:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:52 -0500 green wrote:
> > Microkernels, as I understand, aim to support a highly modular system
> > *design* but are themselves minimal (Minix 3 has about 4000 lines of
> > executable kernel code). This "core code" can be mor
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:52 -0500
green wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500:
> > The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of
> > systemd, the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate re
> > microkernels.
>
> It does seem to be related, though
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On 09/28/2014 at 07:10 PM, green wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500:
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>> The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of
>> systemd, the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate
>> re microkernels.
Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500:
> The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of systemd,
> the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate re microkernels.
It does seem to be related, though not so much due to systemd being
modular as monolithic. systemd
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:51:52PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
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> > As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained
> > in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any
> > other way.
>
> I
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 12:51:52 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200
>
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained
> > in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any
> > other way.
>
> I'm
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:09:48 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> As far as I remember Lennart or another systemd developers explained
> in detail why it was done this way, and that it can´t be done in any
> other way.
I'm especially fond of the "it's not unmodular, it's made from modules"
argumen
Hi.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:15:43 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > 2 - daemontools, runit, many others.
>
> Then go and support these. Test them and help them to be available and tested
> in Debian. Help them so have sane defaults and so.
But I don't have to :) Both daemontools and runit h
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 23:21:36 schrieb martin f krafft:
> also sprach Steve Litt [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
> > If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
> > I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
>
> Beautiful. I had to:
> https://twitter.com/ma
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 22:41:04 schrieb Reco:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:02:16 -0400
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> The Wanderer wrote:
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> > On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
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Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:36:27 schrieb Dan Ritter:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 01:02:16PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
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> > On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> >
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:02:16 schrieb The Wanderer:
> > Martin,
> >
> > I don't think anybody's complaining about those features. Those
> > are excellent features that should be done in PID 1.
>
> Actually, some people (I believe including me) are in fact complaining
> about the inclus
also sprach Steve Litt [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
> If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
> I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
Beautiful. I had to:
https://twitter.com/martinkrafft/status/515611660128903170 ;)
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Hi.
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:02:16 -0400
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> On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
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> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> > wrote:
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> >> Actually systemd has quite some features which benef
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> On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
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> > On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> > wrote:
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> >> Actually systemd has quite some features which benefi
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On 09/26/2014 at 12:26 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> wrote:
>> Actually systemd has quite some features which benefits server
>> use.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> 1) It groups services and shell se
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 22:53:09 schrieb The Wanderer:
> > On 09/25/2014 at 06:09 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
> > > But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
> > > declared next year the Year o
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