Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 07 ian 22, 20:50:20, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > What you do on your host machine doesn't affect what goes on inside the > virtual system (machine inside virtual box). In case this wasn't obvious. I'd bet that e.g. upgrading the virtualization software can (and probably oft

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-08 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Friday 07 January 2022 03:03:25 pm Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > Not sure what I'm looking at he

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jan 2022 at 15:03:25 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > It just goes black. The inside of the window that virtualbox uses, that > > > is. Nothing of the sort happening on the host machin

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-07 15:03, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: >> Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >>> On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > Not sure what I'm looking at here... No pro

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > Not sure what I'm looking at here... > > > > > > No processes with a suitable name. > > > > > > Is the "s

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:34 AM David Wright wrote: > > The business of how the python/python2/python3 commands are > implemented is not in the hands of the the Python authors, > but distributions like Debian/ubuntu/arch etc. My opinion is > that some distributions showed undue haste in chan

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > Not sure what I'm looking at here... > > > > No processes with a suitable name. > > > > Is the "screensaver" showing pictures, or just going black after > > a while? >

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread David Wright
On Fri 07 Jan 2022 at 08:43:48 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 06 Jan 2022 at 07:24:47 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote: > > > pytnon-is-python2 > > > > > > python-is-python3 > > > > > > Either way, something's going to break. Blame Guido Van Rossum. > > > > Throughout thos

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 06 January 2022 12:05:38 pm David wrote: > > I did an upgrade from 8 -> 9, and that's where things are sitting at the > > moment. > > I've been encouraged to get with current stable, which is what, 11 at > > this point? > > > I'll get there, but slowly, so I can see what's changed

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:24:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > > ps -auwx|grep -e screen -e lock > > > > That gets me this: > > > > Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See > > http://procps.sf.ne

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Dan Ritter
David Wright wrote: > On Thu 06 Jan 2022 at 07:24:47 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote: > > pytnon-is-python2 > > > > python-is-python3 > > > > Either way, something's going to break. Blame Guido Van Rossum. > > Throughout those years, Python3 was available, and there were > compatibility layers and ch

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Thu 06 Jan 2022 at 07:24:47 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So in my Xfce applications menu I have a top-level entry "Ham radio", and > > there was exactly _one_ program to invoke under that, called "chirp". (I > > use this to program radios.) I don't run this

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-06 10:41 a.m., Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:20:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 01:01:07AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >>> So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental >>> upgrades all the time,

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 02:39, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: Hi Roy, You sound unhappy to me. Unhappiness can often be caused by a mismatch between expectations and reality. I try to offer you some advice based on years of reading this list ... > > Going by the version number, that looks like it's

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:24:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > > ps -auwx|grep -e screen -e lock > > That gets me this: > > Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html > root 110 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:15

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:24:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > ps -auwx|grep -e screen -e lock That gets me this: Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html root 110 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S<2021 0:15 [kblockd/0] root 295 0.0 0.0

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:20:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 01:01:07AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental > > upgrades all the time, and the latest one is chirp20220103, which I > > downloade

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 12:55:51PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2022-01-06, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > The change there is that python2 and python3 are ridiculously > > incompatible with each other, so programs written in each need > > to call the appropriate interpreter. However, most python > > progra

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2022-01-06, Dan Ritter wrote: > > The change there is that python2 and python3 are ridiculously > incompatible with each other, so programs written in each need > to call the appropriate interpreter. However, most python > programs just assume that "/usr/bin/python" or `env python` will > magic

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > So in my Xfce applications menu I have a top-level entry "Ham radio", and > there was exactly _one_ program to invoke under that, called "chirp". (I > use this to program radios.) I don't run this too often, but having > recently acquired a new radio I went to

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 01:01:07AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental > upgrades all the time, and the latest one is chirp20220103, which I > downloaded. When I went to invoke it directly, there was an error about > so

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-05 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 01:01:07 -0500 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: Hello Sr., > (Why the repository can't be more up to date than that I don't know.) Because, by the sound of things, you're using at least old-stable, which won't get many, if any, updates. Maybe the odd security bug fix. Anything