Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-25 Thread Chris Davies
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 21:17, Chris Davies wrote: > Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably > at the prototype/design stage rather than as an afterthought just > before release. Dotan Cohen wrote: > Are you kidding? In reference to KDE, at least, I have stopped pr

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 21:17, Chris Davies wrote: > Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably > at the prototype/design stage rather than as an afterthought just > before release. > Are you kidding? In reference to KDE, at least, I have stopped providing usability fe

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Chris Davies
Andreas Weber wrote: > And doing GUI programming means that you can do the best you can think > of and there will always be some smart person knowing it better. Which is why usability testing is (should be) so important. Preferably at the prototype/design stage rather than as an afterthought just

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/23/2010 06:44 AM, lee wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:15:52AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is movi

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread lee
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:15:52AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: > > > > > > > >On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > >

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-23 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 22 oct 10, 01:25:28, lee wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: > > > > > >On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > > >you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the > >

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 05:22:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:03, lee wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather > > than on the right side in KDE? > > > > Sure, start the application with the --reverse flag: > $ okular -

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 02:55:39PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > lee wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: > >>On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: > >>>On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > >>>you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:34:36PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 10/22/2010 09:44 AM, lee wrote: > >On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: > >>lee wrote: > >>>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: > On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: > >On a s

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Daniel Barclay
lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Ser

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/22/2010 09:44 AM, lee wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: lee wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scroll

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 22:03, lee wrote: > Hi, > > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather > than on the right side in KDE? > Sure, start the application with the --reverse flag: $ okular --reverse -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com --

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread lee
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24:46PM +0200, Roel Schroeven wrote: > lee wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: > >> On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: > >>> On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > >>> you move the scrollbar down. Where´s

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-22 Thread Roel Schroeven
lee wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: >> On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: >>> On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when >>> you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the >>> text moving up together with the scro

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 21 October 2010 15:48:22 lee wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:44:50PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:21:43 +0200, lee wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: > > >> > is there fina

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:04:35PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > It was promised years ago for KDE 4.x to be able to finally put the > > scroll bar on the left ... > > There is even an old bug report for that matter: > > *** > scrollbars on left > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4549 > *

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:10:27 -0400 Wayne Topa wrote: > On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: ... > > [u]rxvt is the only app I've seen where the scrollbar is on the left. > > > > Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. As does Xfce Terminal. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:39:22PM +0200, Andreas Weber wrote: > On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: > > On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > > you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the > > text moving up together with the scroll bar? > > S

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:34:49PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: > [snip] > > > >On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > >you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the > >text moving up together with the scroll

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:48:22 +0200, lee wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:44:50PM +, Camaleón wrote: >> >> You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? >> > >> > everywhere >> >> Ugh... then dunno. > > It was promised years ago for KDE 4.x to be able to finally put the > s

s/2mm/2cm (was Re: scrollbar on left side)

2010-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2010 04:34 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: [snip] On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Take a piece of construc

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Andreas Weber
On 2010-10-21 22:48, lee wrote: > On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when > you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the > text moving up together with the scroll bar? Seriously? It indicates the position in the document, and so it behaves. >

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/21/2010 03:48 PM, lee wrote: [snip] On a side note: Someone once asked me why the text is moving up when you move the scrollbar down. Where´s the logic in that? Why isn´t the text moving up together with the scroll bar? Take a piece of construction paper and cut a 2mm slit in it. Now op

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread lee
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 06:44:50PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:21:43 +0200, lee wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: > >> > >> > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side r

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-21 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
For KDE I don't know. For other applications like xterm or rxvt it can be customized with X-settings, e.g., in ~/.Xdefaults XTerm*scrollBar:True XTerm*rightScrollBar: True XTerm*scrollBar_right: True URxvt*scrollBar:True URxvt*scrollBar_right:

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 11:14 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: Neither did I, when I read the man page... :) ok, so gnome-term has an profile option for it, and iceweasel has a config value for it. there are no global ui changes that can be made then for scro

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > Neither did I, when I read the man page... :) ok, so gnome-term has an profile option for it, and iceweasel has a config value for it. there are no global ui changes that can be made then for scroll bars on the left side? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 10:49 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal yah yah yah, i still dont see where or how gnome terminal will change all application scroll bars to the left side. Neither did I, when I read the ma

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal yah yah yah, i still dont see where or how gnome terminal will change all application scroll bars to the left side. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 08:12 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: man gnome-terminal? at work without access to my debian machine http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=man+gnome-terminal -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.de

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Doug
On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:12 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: >> man gnome-terminal? and i dont think anyone asked for only gnome-terminal scroll bar placement -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "un

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > man gnome-terminal? at work without access to my debian machine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.or

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 07:52 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. WT how about gnome? im a lefty As am I, but decades ago I accepted that I'm in the minority and adapted to the circumstances.

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Wayne Topa wrote: > Konsole lets you put the scrollbar on either side. > > WT how about gnome? im a lefty with a tablet pc and this would be a handy tweak for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Wayne Topa
On 10/20/2010 06:25 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/20/2010 01:21 PM, lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:21:43 +0200, lee wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: >> >> > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather >> > than on the right side in KDE? >> >> You mean in the whole

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-20 Thread lee
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22:33AM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: > > > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than > > on the right side in KDE? > > You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? everywhere The

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-19 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20101018200323.gf3...@yun.yagibdah.de>, lee wrote: >is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather >than on the right side in KDE? Not on my system. Presumably, this would be part of "System Settings -> General -> Appearance -> Style". In fact, there are some scrollbar-

Re: scrollbar on left side

2010-10-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:03:23 +0200, lee wrote: > is there finally a way to get the scrollbar on the left side rather than > on the right side in KDE? You mean in the whole KDE environment or just in some apps? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debi