Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 26 October 2018 09:53:39 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:29:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > and it goes out on the net and checks > > all servers before ntpq -p is completed, take 5 or 6 seconds to do > > that, > > That's DNS resolution. It's looking up the IP addr

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:44:47AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: As I'm fond of saying TANSTAAFL. If we all, with multiple machine sites, did this it would make a measureable difference in bandwidth used If people want to set up local ntp servers, great. But just configure the clients with a ser

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:29:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > and it goes out on the net and checks > all servers before ntpq -p is completed, take 5 or 6 seconds to do that, That's DNS resolution. It's looking up the IP addresses so it can report names to you. If you want to skip that, you

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 26 October 2018 09:01:50 Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-25, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Now this machine shows for ntpq -p: > > remote refid st t when poll reach delay > > offset jitter > > > >==

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 26 October 2018 08:26:47 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 05:36:21PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I put the router back on pool.ntp.org, but had to reboot it to take > > effect. > > > > Now this machine shows for ntpq -p: > > remote refid st t when pol

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-25, Gene Heskett wrote: > Now this machine shows for ntpq -p: > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter >== > +159.203.158.197 45.33.103.94 3 u 59 643 19.551

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 05:36:21PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I put the router back on pool.ntp.org, but had to reboot it to take effect. > > Now this machine shows for ntpq -p: > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter > ===

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 25 October 2018 16:50:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 04:40:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I added the router to the server list for this machine and get this > > for an ntpq -p: remote refid st t when poll reach > > delay offset jitter > > ==

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 04:40:46PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I added the router to the server list for this machine and get this for an > ntpq -p: > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter > ==

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 25 October 2018 14:08:47 Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-25, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 25 October 2018 09:32:08 Curt wrote: > >> On 2018-10-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> >> 2 machines report: > >> >> pi@picnc:/etc $ ntpq -p > >> >> No association ID's returned > >> > > >> > I've l

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-25, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 25 October 2018 09:32:08 Curt wrote: > >> On 2018-10-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> 2 machines report: >> >> pi@picnc:/etc $ ntpq -p >> >> No association ID's returned >> > >> > I've literally never seen such a message before. I googled it, and >>

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 25 October 2018 09:32:08 Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> 2 machines report: > >> pi@picnc:/etc $ ntpq -p > >> No association ID's returned > > > > I've literally never seen such a message before. I googled it, and > > there are definitely results that look rele

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> 2 machines report: >> pi@picnc:/etc $ ntpq -p >> No association ID's returned > > I've literally never seen such a message before. I googled it, and there > are definitely results that look relevant. After adding "broadcast" to > the search terms, I came u

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 06:23:49PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > The idea is to reduce the loading of 7 machines all banging one the level > 1 and 2 servers by designating one machine to bang of the debian pool, > and then broadcast it on the local 192.169.xx.xx net so all the others > stay withi

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 07:10:00 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 06:25:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 October 2018 11:07:05 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I think that covers what I was going to say, but in an attempt to show > > > off my knowled

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 06:25:46 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 24 October 2018 11:07:05 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I think that covers what I was going to say, but in an attempt to show > > off my knowledge (or lack thereof) ;-) > > > > As I understand it, NTP tries to get an app

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 October 2018 11:07:05 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27:04 AM john doe wrote: > > On 10/24/2018 2:44 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:22:49AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> I has this machine running ntp normally, and set t

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 October 2018 10:27:04 john doe wrote: > On 10/24/2018 2:44 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:22:49AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I has this machine running ntp normally, and set to broadcast on > >> the $local/24 network. > > > > I've never used NTP in "br

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:27:04 AM john doe wrote: > On 10/24/2018 2:44 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:22:49AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> I has this machine running ntp normally, and set to broadcast on the > >> $local/24 network. > > > > I've never used NTP i

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread john doe
On 10/24/2018 2:44 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:22:49AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> I has this machine running ntp normally, and set to broadcast on the >> $local/24 network. > > I've never used NTP in "broadcast" mode. > > If it were me, I would simply use the normal

Re: ntp problem in broadcastclients

2018-10-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:22:49AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I has this machine running ntp normally, and set to broadcast on the > $local/24 network. I've never used NTP in "broadcast" mode. If it were me, I would simply use the normal configuration in which each client system has the NTP se

Re: ntp problem

2014-07-06 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: . . . when i used it you have to run ntpdate(1) to synchronize before running ntpd . . . In my 1st post, I wrote: = I tried ntpdate, which actually restabl

Re: ntp problem

2014-07-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 01 Jul 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > Measuring the battery voltage should give me the answer for my > configuration. Still remains the un-answered question: what can be the > cause of this time problem after 5 years of good working, and no > configuration change?. For a PC RTC? Damaged

Re: ntp problem

2014-07-01 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
thanks for all your replies (although some are rather contradictory) 1> Very few chances, as this kinda battery can save its load for 1> at least 10 years (except if you had very long periods without 1> pluging your computer). 2> I've never seen one that lasted for 10 years, and I've had to repl

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-27 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi Pierre, Please post the contents of these files: /etc/adjtime /etc/default/adjtimex /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift Thanks! Rick On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: Utilities such as NTP are r

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-27 Thread Tom Furie
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 05:08:52PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Rob Owens wrote: > >Maybe a cron job running ntpdate? > > it's what I did up to now, (ntpdate or rdate), but the drift > became too big, even with a call in cron.hourly Do you still have the cron job enab

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-26 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Rob Owens wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: Utilities such as NTP are really good at adjusting the counting per second to tune the OS view of time to be very accurate. If that isn't working then I suspect some other problem. Such as two daemons fighting each o

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-26 Thread Rob Owens
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: > > Utilities such as NTP are really good at adjusting the counting per > > second to tune the OS view of time to be very accurate. If that isn't > > working then I suspect some other problem. Such as two daemons > > fighting each other both trying to adju

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Bob Proulx wrote: > It depends upon the motherboard but most won't draw battery power Lithium cells don't age just because you drain them, they will also degrade with time. The fact that they're *always* being drained due to the leakage current _inside_ the cell (which is rea

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Bob Proulx
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > Anyway, the fact that this problem appeared just a few days ago on a > > machine running since about 5 years seems indicate a hardware > > problem (battery?) > > Yes, the lower "voltage" caused by a dying battery can increase the > sy

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:30:34 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > I've never seen one that lasted for 10 years, and I've had to > replace several CR2032 lithium cells on motherboards that were ~5 > years old. And those were good quality cells, made in Japan. > > These cells do age (and di

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, B wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:13:12 +0200 (CEST) > Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > Anyway, the fact that this problem appeared just a few days ago on > > a machine running since about 5 years seems indicate a hardware > > problem (battery?) > > Very few chances, as this ki

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > Anyway, the fact that this problem appeared just a few days ago on a > machine running since about 5 years seems indicate a hardware > problem (battery?) Yes, the lower "voltage" caused by a dying battery can increase the systematic drift on the RTC, o

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 25 June 2014 14:11:29 Curt wrote: > On 2014-06-25, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 June 2014 08:13:12 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >> seems indicate a hardware problem (battery?) > > > > I nearly said so, but grandmothers and eggs came to mind. > > Grandmothers will promptly replac

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-25, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 25 June 2014 08:13:12 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: >> seems indicate a hardware problem (battery?) > > I nearly said so, but grandmothers and eggs came to mind. Grandmothers will promptly replace a faulty egg? > CMOS batteries are cheap enough. Why no

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:13:12 +0200 (CEST) Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > Anyway, the fact that this problem appeared just a few days ago on > a machine running since about 5 years seems indicate a hardware > problem (battery?) Very few chances, as this kinda battery can save its load for at least 10 y

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2014 08:13:12 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: seems indicate a hardware problem (battery?) I nearly said so, but grandmothers and eggs came to mind. CMOS batteries are cheap enough. Why not just change it and see? It does not sound unreaso

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 25 June 2014 08:13:12 Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > seems indicate a hardware problem (battery?) I nearly said so, but grandmothers and eggs came to mind. CMOS batteries are cheap enough. Why not just change it and see? It does not sound unreasonable that a battery should be running do

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-25 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: start ntpd with the '-g' option to fix that (add it to /etc/default/ntp). That doesn't work, as this option was already in use. We used to apply drift correction (stored in /etc/adjtime) when we still ran hctosys / systohc during syst

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > ==> ntpq -p > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > > == > outbound-smtp.n 192.93.2.20 2 u 53 64 377 29.858

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-24 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014, Darac Marjal wrote: . . . ntp_gettime() error 5 is, according to the man page, "TIME_ERROR (clock not synchronised". So, in that case, look to your ntpd. Run "ntpq -p" to see the status of your peers and/or "ntpq -c assoc" for more details. The information there can be compl

Re: ntp problem

2014-06-24 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 09:53:07AM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi eveybody, > I recently discovered that the time on my desktop was wrong by several > minutes, > although it is running ntpd. On my laptop, which has exactly the same > ntp.conf, > the time correct. > Here are the output of ntpt

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/9/2011 9:11 AM, owl...@gmail.com wrote: > 2011/8/9 Stan Hoeppner : >> On 8/9/2011 6:28 AM, owl...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Stan, thanks for your reply, we have a bare metal host hp dl580g7 no VM >>> guest >>> >>> After this post we have add nomodify at localhost lines and offset >>> seems a

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread owl...@gmail.com
2011/8/9 Stan Hoeppner : > On 8/9/2011 6:28 AM, owl...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Stan, thanks for your reply, we have a bare metal host hp dl580g7 no VM >> guest >> >> After this post we have add nomodify at localhost lines and offset >> seems acceptable now > > It *seems* acceptable because you ju

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/9/2011 6:55 AM, Rick Thomas wrote: > In many cases, judicious use of "adjtimex" to trim the system clock can > avoid a system board replacement. And if the machine is under depot warranty? Better yet, that + on-site service contract? If it does turn out to be defective hardware, and the a

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread Rick Thomas
On Aug 9, 2011, at 5:41 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 8/9/2011 2:40 AM, owl...@gmail.com wrote: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter = = = = = = = = = = ntp1.inrim.it .CTD.

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/9/2011 2:40 AM, owl...@gmail.com wrote: > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter > == > ntp1.inrim.it .CTD.1 u 46 64 377 23.641 329686. 2517.77 > ntp2.inr

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread owl...@gmail.com
2011/8/9 Jerome BENOIT : > Hell List: > > On 09/08/11 09:40, owl...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hello, the server clock continually recedes as you can see the ntpq -p >> offset is too high. >> Setting the right time at hand not solve anything after a while the >> server clock slowly recedes >> >> >> Any

Re: ntp problem: the server clock slowly recedes

2011-08-09 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hell List: On 09/08/11 09:40, owl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, the server clock continually recedes as you can see the ntpq -p offset is too high. Setting the right time at hand not solve anything after a while the server clock slowly recedes Any suggestions? ahve you tried an other server ?

Re: ntp problem (newbie)

2003-02-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 12:22:39PM +0200, Cristi Banciu wrote: > Hi, > > I try to install and configure a ntpd on a machine > > I do apt-get install ntp ntpdate ntp-doc > When it prompts for an ntp server to synchronize I get on already > working. It asks me if I want him to overwrite ntp.conf an

Re: ntp problem

2001-10-17 Thread Stan Brown
On Wed Oct 17 11:04:54 2001 David Roundy wrote... > >On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 03:04:38PM -0400, Stan Brown wrote: >> >> The machine has been up for a good while now, but ntptrace still says it's >> not synched. >> >> Any sugestions? > >Did you run ntpdate? (which requires you to enter the IP addre

Re: ntp problem

2001-10-17 Thread David Roundy
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 03:04:38PM -0400, Stan Brown wrote: > > The machine has been up for a good while now, but ntptrace still says it's > not synched. > > Any sugestions? Did you run ntpdate? (which requires you to enter the IP address into yet another config file) -- David Roundy http://civ