Re: more install problems

2003-08-14 Thread Geoff Thurman
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 2:52 pm, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Monday 04 August 2003 20:39, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > > Richard Lyons wrote: > > [...] > > > > Perhaps I should reinitialize the root partition and re-install, > > > using the 2.4.18-686 kernel -- there is a way to select the > > > kern

Re: more install problems

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 12:19, Richard Lyons wrote: > Update: Flawless. It installs and boots. A few configurations in > /etc/hosts and so forth and the networking is alive. I HAVE A > WORKING DEBIAN! Sorry to shout, but -- well -- it took a while. > > A thousand thanks to everyone who helpe

Re: more install problems

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Lyons
On Monday 04 August 2003 20:39, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > Richard Lyons wrote: [...] > > Perhaps I should reinitialize the root partition and re-install, > > using the 2.4.18-686 kernel -- there is a way to select the > > kernel during the install, isn't there? Actually, it turns out there doesn'

Re: more install problems

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 16:25, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2003 14:28, Geoff Thurman wrote: > [...now irrelevant context snipped...] > > > I'm a newbie, and this might in any case be too late to help, but > > the best instructions for installing Knoppix to hdd are probably > > tho

Re: more install problems

2003-08-05 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 14:28, Geoff Thurman wrote: [...now irrelevant context snipped...] > I'm a newbie, and this might in any case be too late to help, but > the best instructions for installing Knoppix to hdd are probably > those on www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/debian-knoppix.html. They made > se

Re: more install problems

2003-08-04 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: Hello again. I have found the configurator that I needed, in theory. It is modconf. But I cannot install i82368, the errors include 'No such device' and 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/.../8139too.o' So the compilation was not successful apparently. Per

Re: more install problems

2003-08-04 Thread Richard Lyons
Hello again. I have found the configurator that I needed, in theory. It is modconf. But I cannot install i82368, the errors include 'No such device' and 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/.../8139too.o' So the compilation was not successful apparently. Perhaps I should reiniti

Re: more install problems

2003-08-04 Thread Richard Lyons
On Monday 04 August 2003 06:34, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > Looking at the cardctl output from your card, I think the 8139too > module provided with 2.4.18-686 ought to work. Remember that your > mandrake install worked without needing to compile a separate > driver. Yes, but it doesn't seem

Re: more install problems

2003-08-03 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: On Saturday 02 August 2003 11:19, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] I really think the 8139too driver in 2.4.18 ought to be able to work this. The problem must be either a general PCMIA issue, or a problem with the 8139too driver being compiled-in instead of being a module. [...]

Re: more install problems

2003-08-03 Thread Richard Lyons
On Saturday 02 August 2003 11:19, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > I really think the 8139too driver in 2.4.18 ought to be able to > work this. > > The problem must be either a general PCMIA issue, or a problem with > the 8139too driver being compiled-in instead of being a module. [...] I have give

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Richard Lyons
On Saturday 02 August 2003 12:53, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > Can I check, do you have the package > kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686? err.. no. > > try > # modprobe pcmcia_core > # modprobe yenta_socket they find nothing > The 8139too driver should be able to work, since it did on > Mandrake,

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Can I check, do you have the package kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686? try # modprobe pcmcia_core # modprobe yenta_socket The 8139too driver should be able to work, since it did on Mandrake, but there may be a problem with it being compiled in, while the pcmcia core support is in modules (I don'

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Richard Lyons
On Saturday 02 August 2003 11:19, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > > I really think the 8139too driver in 2.4.18 ought to be able to > work this. > > The problem must be either a general PCMIA issue, or a problem with > the 8139too driver being compiled-in instead of being a module. > > I just saw

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: Good morning, Andrew. On Saturday 02 August 2003 08:50, Andrew McGuinness wrote: Richard Lyons wrote: [...] [the driver] is the version distributed by the card maker... with the card. Looks out of date. No changelog on the disk. Is the card actually a pcmcia card (I unders

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Richard Lyons
On Saturday 02 August 2003 08:50, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > Unfortunately that shows that it is basically the same driver > (8139too) as is built into the bf2.4 kernel already. Okay, I've just booted the Morphix disk again, to check I wasn't mistaken. It works fine. Accesses network flaw

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Richard Lyons
Good morning, Andrew. On Saturday 02 August 2003 08:50, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > Richard Lyons wrote: [...] > > [the driver] is the version distributed by the card maker... > > with the card. Looks out of date. No changelog on the disk. > > Is the card actually a pcmcia card (I understood it w

Re: more install problems

2003-08-02 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: Probably the latter. Now I am beginning to understand. This is the top of the file /* rtl8139.c: A RealTek RTL8129/8139 Fast Ethernet driver for Linux. */ /* Written 1997-2000 by Donald Becker. ... /* Version 1.11 is originally written by Donald Becker. Version 1.11a i

Re: more install problems

2003-08-01 Thread Richard Lyons
On Friday 01 August 2003 06:45, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...residue of previous snipped...] > > include/pcmcia/version.h isn't a problem. > > The errors you quoted from you compile are in code that shouldn't > be compiled unless LINUX_VERSION_CODE indicates a 2.2 kernel, at > least in the rtl8139.

Re: more install problems

2003-07-31 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 19:54, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] The cause of the errors was that linux/version.h was being included from a 2.2 kernel, but linux/netdevice.h was being include from a 2.4 kernel. Thanks Andrew. We _may_ be getting somewhere. I have two version

Re: more install problems

2003-07-31 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 19:54, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > The cause of the errors was that linux/version.h was being included > from a 2.2 kernel, but linux/netdevice.h was being include from a > 2.4 kernel. Thanks Andrew. We _may_ be getting somewhere. I have two version.h files: /us

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 19:54, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > [...] > The cause of the errors was that linux/version.h was being included > from a 2.2 kernel, but linux/netdevice.h was being include from a > 2.4 kernel. Thanks Andrew. I'm impressed. > > You said you installed kernel-headers-2.4.1

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:47, Greg Folkert wrote: [...] > > http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall [...] > I have used that procedure MANY times... > > Maybe even just use knoppix as the booting OS. > > I'll tell you I should edit that page to show how to do it with >

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:43, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] Why can't you compile the driver? Now you have the kernel headers, it shouldn't be too difficult. I thought you stopped trying when you thought that 8139too might work. If you decide to try, it might help to post ac

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 17:43, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] > > Why can't you compile the driver? Now you have the kernel headers, > it shouldn't be too difficult. I thought you stopped trying when > you thought that 8139too might work. > > If you decide to try, it might help to post actual erro

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 12:17, Richard Lyons wrote: > Rats! I have now tried the 2.2 standard install, and you are right - > Andrew is right: the 8139too driver does not work. So this throws > me into trying the method given at > http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 05:17:36PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:08, Antony Gelberg wrote: > [...] > > > No, you've got the wrong end of the stick. 8139too is probably > > _not_ right for your card. Hence you do need to compile the > > driver. > > Rats! I have now

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 16:08, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] > No, you've got the wrong end of the stick. 8139too is probably > _not_ right for your card. Hence you do need to compile the > driver. Rats! I have now tried the 2.2 standard install, and you are right - Andrew is right: the 813

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 03:55:29PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:18, Andrew McGuinness wrote: > [...] > > My mistake, 8139too is built into bf2.4, not a module, so if it > > worked, it would have picked up the card at boot time (or would it, > > with the card being pcmc

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:38, Sridhar Srinivasan wrote: [...] > you can convert an ext2 partition to an ext3 partition using a > single command. These links from google provide more information. That easy, eh? Looks as though I am some kind of masochist, doing everything the hard way... > So

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 15:18, Andrew McGuinness wrote: [...] > My mistake, 8139too is built into bf2.4, not a module, so if it > worked, it would have picked up the card at boot time (or would it, > with the card being pcmcia, have needed some pcmcia-cs to run > first?). Oh, thanks andrew. Tha

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Sridhar Srinivasan
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:56:21PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > > I suppose my only alternative route now is to start again with the > standard version and ext2 partitions. I thought the ext3 was worth > having on a laptop, where there is an extra risk of needing to unplug > the power when i

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 14:18, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] Use script. man script for details. Basically it's like a wrapper that records everything on your terminal between typing script and doing a Ctrl-d. But, as was pointed out earlier, you _could_ try modprobe 8139too.

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 14:18, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] > Use script. man script for details. Basically it's like a wrapper > that records everything on your terminal between typing script and > doing a Ctrl-d. > > But, as was pointed out earlier, you _could_ try modprobe 8139too. 8139too e

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 01:27:26PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > In para. 1. there is no directory like > > > > > /usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.0.9/include/ - I cannot find any > > > > > *pcmcia*/include/. What shou

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Andrew McGuinness wrote: The RPM stuff has probably been unpacked by your driver disk. It looks like the driver module is supposed to compile against pcmcia-cs (I'm not sure why). Possibly you need to get the source of this package. Woody uses 3.1.33, but you would want to get the source fro

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > In para. 1. there is no directory like > > > > /usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.0.9/include/ - I cannot find any > > > > *pcmcia*/include/. What should I do here? [...] > > So I'm guessing I need first to install a further pac

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:14:18PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: > [...] > > You need the kernel header files. Try apt-cache search > > kernel-headers and grab the one that goes with your kernel. > > It may sound stupid, but I have no idea w

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Andrew McGuinness
Richard Lyons wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] You need the kernel header files. Try apt-cache search kernel-headers and grab the one that goes with your kernel. It may sound stupid, but I have no idea which kernel Debian has installed. "bf24" tells me it is

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 12:14, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: > [...] > > > You need the kernel header files. Try apt-cache search > > kernel-headers and grab the one that goes with your kernel. > > It may sound stupid, but I have no idea which kern

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:16, Antony Gelberg wrote: [...] > You need the kernel header files. Try apt-cache search > kernel-headers and grab the one that goes with your kernel. It may sound stupid, but I have no idea which kernel Debian has installed. "bf24" tells me it is 2.4.x, but I don'

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:26:27AM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:29, Antony Gelberg wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:20:47AM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > [...detailed install instructions cut...] > > > In para. 1. there is no directory like > > > /usr/src/linux/pc

Re: more install problems

2003-07-30 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:29, Antony Gelberg wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:20:47AM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: [...detailed install instructions cut...] > > In para. 1. there is no directory like > > /usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.0.9/include/ - I cannot find any > > *pcmcia*/include/. What s

Re: more install problems

2003-07-29 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:20:47AM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote: > Realtek CardBus Ethernet Card Installation on Linux > > 1. Compile the source code : >->Copy the source code rtl8139.c (ver 1.08 above) to a directory > and execute "gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall >-Wstric

Re: more install problems

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Lyons
Okay, this supersedes the previous. I have succeeded in installing Woody on the Thinkpad, using the 'dummy' network interface. A stack of errors which will be easily cleared up as soon as I actually can connect to the internet, via our home-office ethernet. The interface card claims to suppo