On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 18:32 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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> On 2008-06-13 17:11, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> > David wrote:
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> >> Every X days or Y reboots, Linux (on my home PC, which I boot & shut
> >> down 2x each day) wants to scan
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 17:02 +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> In my experience *any* computer will be in some kind of standby mode as
> long as there is no physical interruption to the power.
What about machines in PC, XT or AT style cases? This
always-on-standby, soft-power-button stuff only c
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 01:04 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:01PM +0200, David wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Chris Bannister
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote:
> > >> Hi again list.
> > >>
> > >> I'm
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 17:59 +0200, David wrote:
> If I send 5 separate replies instead of 1, doesn't it use up more
> bandwidth? ie, extra mail envelopes, headers, etc. I did make an
> effort to trim unrelated lines (not everyone on this thread has done
> that).
Brain bandwidth counts, too. Cram
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 14:32 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, John Allen wrote:
> > Use XFS, and it won't fsck when you boot :)
>
> Yeah, instead that stupid idea from SGI [fsck.xfs is a no-op] will require
> you to boot from another media to do a periodic xfs_repair
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 11:25 +0200, David wrote:
> But at other times I want to use the PC quickly for something, and
> waiting for fsck to finish isn't an option. The problem is, hitting
> Ctrl+C in the middle of boot fsck leaves your root partition in
> read-only mode, and the machine has a lot of
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 04:06:55PM +0200, David wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Chris Bannister
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> > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:01PM +0200, David wrote:
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> [...]
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> >
> > Consider: person a replies to part of your reply, so they trim out what
> > is not
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Andrew Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 15 June 2008 06:16, David wrote:
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>> Finally, Exim MTA was setup by default on my PC, but I disabled it's
>> init.d script. Reason: My PC is not connected to the internet a lot of
>> the time, so I get a "MTA s
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 04:06:55PM +0200, David wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Chris Bannister
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:01PM +0200, David wrote:
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> > Consider: person a replies to part of your reply, so they trim out what
> > is not
On Sunday 15 June 2008 06:16, David wrote:
> Thanks for the continuing replies and suggestions.
> > Why not just run fsck manually (i.e. shutdown -RF now) whenever you
> > want. If you do it frequently enough, you'll never hit the automatic
> > checking counter: you'll only get caught if you forg
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Chris Bannister
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> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:01PM +0200, David wrote:
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> Consider: person a replies to part of your reply, so they trim out what
> is not relevant. person b replies to part of your reply, so they trim
> out what
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 05:59:01PM +0200, David wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Chris Bannister
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote:
> >> Hi again list.
> >>
> >> I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length,
> >
Oops, I stripped out the attribution:
Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There are several hard-disk HOWTOs in the doc-linux-howto packages
[...]
Sorry about that.
David.
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>> Unfortunately, experimenting with other filesystems will have to wait
>> until I have a spare drive. I don't know of a way to convert to other
>> filesystems on the fly :-) Also, the need to defer fsck seems like a
>> poor reason to go through the trouble of switching my home PC's
>> filesystem
Thanks for the continuing replies and suggestions.
Again I will put replies in one mail, since noone has given me a good
reason not to, yet. Please comment on this if it is a problem.
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:19PM +
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> If data=journal is subject to kernel bugs then you are saying that Linux
> doensn't have any filesystem suitable for non-UPS-protected systems. If
Neither will be safe against that, unless you have write caching disabled OR
write barriers enabled, an
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:00:08PM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:19PM +0200, David wrote:
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> > This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly,
>
> Why?
Why not just run fsck manually (i.e. shutdown -RF now) whenever you
want. If you do it frequently e
David wrote:
Here is a summary of my PC usage:
1) Turn on home PC briefly to check e-mail etc, before going to work,
then shut down.
2) Back from work, turn it on for the evening, and off again before
going to bed.
The PC is near my bed, I don't like to have the noisy fans etc going
while I'm
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:19PM +0200, David wrote:
> This isn't a solution for me. I want fsck to run regularly,
Why?
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Hi list.
For those interested, I've filed 2 wishlist bugs against the BTS:
sysvinit: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486258
e2fsprogs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486261
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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:25:23AM +0200, David wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Sort answer, read the disk-related HOWTOs and try switching to JFS.
> >
>
> Unfortunate
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:32:55AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> Watch out that data=journal. It is far more kernel-bug prone than
> data=ordered, for the simple fact that almost everyone uses data=ordered,
> including those who mess w
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Chris Bannister
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> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote:
>> Hi again list.
>>
>> I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length,
>
> Please don't do that. *You* can receive your mails in digest mode b
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 02:32:29PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > Your / should be small, fsck-friendly, and resilient as all heck. If
> > running fsck in your / takes enough time that you wouldn't afford to do it
> > at every boot (in
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, charlie derr wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>>> I guess the defaults are very conservative settings regarding
>>> reliability of your data and were implemented at a time when there was
>>> no journalling for data p
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:51:06AM +0200, David wrote:
> Hi again list.
>
> I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length,
Please don't do that. *You* can receive your mails in digest mode by
specifying it with some command to the list server, but PLEASE don't
enforce it o
Hi again list.
I'm going to reply to several mails at once. Please excuse the length,
or let me know if separate mails is better netiquette.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Johannes Wiedersich
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 02:32:29PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> Your / should be small, fsck-friendly, and resilient as all heck. If
> running fsck in your / takes enough time that you wouldn't afford to do it
> at every boot (in a recent system), then your / is too large in my book
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
I guess the defaults are very conservative settings regarding
reliability of your data and were implemented at a time when there was
no journalling for data protection.
Actually, kernel bugs, memory problems, co
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, John Allen wrote:
> Use XFS, and it won't fsck when you boot :)
Yeah, instead that stupid idea from SGI [fsck.xfs is a no-op] will require
you to boot from another media to do a periodic xfs_repair on / if you want
to make sure it is a proper xfs and not some corrupted mess th
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> I guess the defaults are very conservative settings regarding
> reliability of your data and were implemented at a time when there was
> no journalling for data protection.
Actually, kernel bugs, memory problems, corruption in the CPU to disk
platt
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 05:02:15PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> On 2008-06-13 13:38, David wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Johannes Wiedersich
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> read 'man tune2fs' for some tips for setting interval and mount count to
> >> something that better m
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:25:23AM +0200, David wrote:
> Every X days or Y reboots, Linux (on my home PC, which I boot & shut
> down 2x each day) wants to scan partitions for errors at startup.
> While this is a bit annoying (can't use the PC for 10-20 minutes), I
> usually let it finish and read a
David wrote:
Hi list.
I already checked this problem with Google and with my LUG, and would
like to ask on this mailing list before I fire off a bunch of feature
requests in the Debian BTS.
= FROM MAIL TO MY LUG =
I've tried Googling for this but haven't found much info, so asking here
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On 2008-06-13 17:11, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> David wrote:
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>> Every X days or Y reboots, Linux (on my home PC, which I boot & shut
>> down 2x each day) wants to scan partitions for errors at startup.
>> While this is a bit annoying (can't use
David wrote:
> Every X days or Y reboots, Linux (on my home PC, which I boot & shut
> down 2x each day) wants to scan partitions for errors at startup.
> While this is a bit annoying (can't use the PC for 10-20 minutes), I
> usually let it finish and read a book while waiting.
shutting down 2x ti
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On 2008-06-13 13:38, David wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Johannes Wiedersich
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> read 'man tune2fs' for some tips for setting interval and mount count to
>> something that better meets your needs.
>
> This isn't
Hi and thanks for your reply.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Johannes Wiedersich
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> On 2008-06-13 11:25, David wrote:
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> read 'man tune2fs' for some tips for setting interval and mount count to
> something that
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On 2008-06-13 11:25, David wrote:
> Hi list.
>
> I already checked this problem with Google and with my LUG, and would
> like to ask on this mailing list before I fire off a bunch of feature
> requests in the Debian BTS.
>
> = FROM MAIL TO MY LUG
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