Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-30 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 03:05:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 23:53, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:31:15PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:12:14PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > [snip] > > > Ah,

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 23:53, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:31:15PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:12:14PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: [snip] > > Ah, the old "whack the drive case with a screwdriver handle" trick :-) > > How

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-28 Thread Bill Wohler
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:31:15PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> If you really want to hear stiction horror stories, go talk to people >> who have administrated (big) mainframes and experienced a power >> outage. > > /me hands

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-27 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:31:15PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:12:14PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: <...> > > Additional problem: "stiction" on old drives. I've got a set of SCSIs > > from 1998 which can't be shut down for more than a few minu

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-27 Thread ktb
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:15:43AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:08:17AM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: > > if it's a 24/7 box it's probably better to run it headless and administer it > > from a web interface. i.e. webmi

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-27 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:08:17AM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: > if it's a 24/7 box it's probably better to run it headless and administer it > from a web interface. i.e. webmin etc Why go with the insecurity of webforms when SSH exists and gives yo

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 07:03:48PM -, Stephen Sherlock wrote: > ... and get at least two sticks of > RAM in there (if one fails, the others keep working, so I'm told). Yeah, they do, but your machine still crashes when it tries to use the faulty RAM. It doesn't do a sort of RAID across memory

RE: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Lindsay Yardley
ubject: Re: leaving computer on 24/7 | | | Karsten M. Self wrote: | | > [...] IBM (late 1990s?) suggests that: | > | > - Turning off your monitor (CRT) will provide power savings and spare | >your phosphors. Given that a monitor is likely the most long-lived | >componen

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread daniel huhardeaux
Karsten M. Self wrote: [...] IBM (late 1990s?) suggests that: - Turning off your monitor (CRT) will provide power savings and spare your phosphors. Given that a monitor is likely the most long-lived component of your system, this is significant. Yes. But don't forget, if you're on UPS

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:12:14PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 10:03:39AM -0800, Bill Wohler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "Koen Dejonghe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can > > > leave the machin

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Stephen Sherlock
Best advice I could give you if you're trying to minimize downtime is to try and double up on everything. If you get another HDD the same size as the one you've got, you can run it in a RAID-1 configuration (check the howtos) and get at least two sticks of RAM in there (if one fails, the others ke

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Bill Wohler
"Koen Dejonghe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can > leave the machine on 24/7 without damaging it. If anything, it's harder on the machine to turn it on and off rather than just leave it running. Tread very carefully with hdparm.

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Elizabeth Barham
"Koen" writes: > Are there options in linux where I can turn of the hard disks after > x minutes? There are two methods that I am aware of: 1) By tweaking the hard disk drive itself via the utility hdparm(8) 2) Using the utility noflushd(8) Elizabeth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:26:31PM +0100, Koen Dejonghe wrote: > I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can leave > the machine on 24/7 without damaging it. Yes. Scheduled maintenance tasks by default run during the night,

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread José Manuel Pérez
El mié, 26 de 03 de 2003 a las 12:26, Koen Dejonghe escribió: > Hi, > > I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can leave > the machine on 24/7 without damaging it. > Are there options in linux where I can turn of the hard disks after x > minutes? We have now 2 PC (one

Re: leaving computer on 24/7

2003-03-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 12:26:31 +0100, Koen Dejonghe wrote: > I installed debian woody on an ordinary pc and was wondering if I can leave > the machine on 24/7 without damaging it. No problem. > Are there options in linux where I can turn of the hard disks after x > minutes? I don't know, but