Re: join us!

2000-09-17 Thread Josip Rodin
Note: I don't read -user, just -devel, so I just saw this thread. I apologize for duplication, if someone already said things I'm going to say in my message. Kurt Seifried wrote: > >Basically, you are forking development. There is now a version to be > >found in all the standard places where you

Re: join us!

2000-09-16 Thread Peter Palfrader
[Sorry for the late jump in, I found this thread because of Seth's X-Post] Hi Oliver! On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Oliver Elphick wrote: > "Kurt Seifried" wrote: > ... > >Problem: user can enter Lilo commands at the Lilo prompt > ... > >Additional solution: remove/replace password in lilo.conf after

Re: join us!

2000-09-15 Thread Seth Cohn
Please follow up to Debian-devel, since this isn't really a user issue. [please ignore the long quoted sections. I decided it ws better to quote in full, since I was crossposting this] At 04:34 PM 09/15/2000 -0700, David Benfell wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:20:44AM -0400, Paul D. Smith w

Re: join us!

2000-09-15 Thread David Benfell
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:20:44AM -0400, Paul D. Smith wrote: > > %% Kurt Seifried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ks> One question: where is it explicitly stated that Debian backports > ks> fixes and that one needs to read /usr/doc/*/changelog? > > I'll answer this on two levels: > > Firs

Re: FAQ-O-Matic (was: Re: join us!)

2000-09-01 Thread Joey Hess
John Hasler wrote: > Paul D. Smith writes: > > For the second, it's fine for me for small editing jobs; > > I find it frustrating for anything. > > > I do the work in my editor and paste the results into the window. > > I hadn't tried that. I'd rather just download the file, edit it, and then >

Re: FAQ-O-Matic (was: Re: join us!)

2000-09-01 Thread John Hasler
Paul D. Smith writes: > For the second, it's fine for me for small editing jobs; I find it frustrating for anything. > I do the work in my editor and paste the results into the window. I hadn't tried that. I'd rather just download the file, edit it, and then upload it. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PR

FAQ-O-Matic (was: Re: join us!)

2000-09-01 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jh> Paul D. Smith writes: >> What kinds of problems are you seeing? jh> I find the Web interface (the only one available to me as a section jh> adminstrator) just about completely unusable for editing. You mean the page with all the buttons for

Re: join us!

2000-09-01 Thread Matt Stegman
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Kurt Seifried wrote: > [snip] ... people view security as a number of small unrelated > problems, when in fact you have to treat it as an entire, complex, > system. I agree. I also think that good security needs to involve research. I think it's Debian's responsibility to p

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Oliver Elphick
"Kurt Seifried" wrote: ... >Problem: user can enter Lilo commands at the Lilo prompt ... >Additional solution: remove/replace password in lilo.conf after setting it >(i.e. set password, run lilo, remove password). You may not have noticed mbr: bash-2.04$ dpkg --status mbr Package: mbr Status

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:03:59AM -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote: > So did you fix the root hack in pre10, the DOS in rc1, or the typo in the > install script? Oh yeah, I gotta read the changelog to find out, > wheep. Well, you're going to have to read it somewhere, yes? And now you know where! > A

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread John Hasler
Paul D. Smith writes: > What kinds of problems are you seeing? I find the Web interface (the only one available to me as a section adminstrator) just about completely unusable for editing. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Kurt Seifried
> OK, 2 to 5 minutes downtime to disable. Big Whoop. Maybe should be > done. But, have you ever tried to administer 200 computers? How many > people know the BIOS password? Do the primary users know it? Can they > reboot their own machine? Does an administrator have to visit every > machine

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread jpenny
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:26:20AM -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote: > BTW Idon't know if anyone actually "got it" but the point of my article was > more that Debian is trying to improve security, but seems to be missing > major things. I suppose I should have stated this more obviously (like in H1 > at

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Kurt Seifried
BTW Idon't know if anyone actually "got it" but the point of my article was more that Debian is trying to improve security, but seems to be missing major things. I suppose I should have stated this more obviously (like in H1 at the top). Sigh, anyways for next time I will be less subtle. Bruce Schn

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:03:59AM -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote: > > Personally, when I see "1.2.0pre10-4", I think, "This is not the same as > the > > original/base 1.2.0pre10." Depending on how the numbering is implemented, > it > > has been updated 3 or 4 times since the original 1.2.0pre10. So

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Kurt Seifried
> Personally, when I see "1.2.0pre10-4", I think, "This is not the same as the > original/base 1.2.0pre10." Depending on how the numbering is implemented, it > has been updated 3 or 4 times since the original 1.2.0pre10. So I would not > expect it to have the same bugs. So did you fix the root h

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Dave Sherohman
Kurt Seifried said: > Debian ProFTPD 1.2.0pre10 revision 3 has the root hack mentioned above > however fixed in 1.2.0pre10revision 4, revision 5 also fixes some of the > problems that were possible in rc1 Personally, when I see "1.2.0pre10-4", I think, "This is not the same as the original/base 1.

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jh> Paul D. Smith writes: >> IMHO, FAQ-O-Matic is a _very cool_ tool... jh> But a real PITA to administer. Hmm. Well, we use a pretty large FOM internally at work here, and I haven't noticed that it's a _huge_ PITA :). Mostly seems pretty self-

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:18:18AM -0600, Kurt Seifried wrote: > > Yes I read the update. I'd be happy to review your articles for you, but I > > don't think you should stop at one reviewer. Debian is a very big project > and I'm > > still finding my way around parts of it. You may have been in con

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread John Hasler
Paul D. Smith writes: > IMHO, FAQ-O-Matic is a _very cool_ tool... But a real PITA to administer. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Paul D. Smith
%% Kurt Seifried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ks> One question: where is it explicitly stated that Debian backports ks> fixes and that one needs to read /usr/doc/*/changelog? I'll answer this on two levels: First, if you're writing an article on a subject for publication it behooves you to fi

Re: join us!

2000-08-31 Thread Kurt Seifried
> Yes I read the update. I'd be happy to review your articles for you, but I > don't think you should stop at one reviewer. Debian is a very big project and I'm > still finding my way around parts of it. You may have been in contact with Ben > Collins. If so I suggest you ask him too. Yeah, he did