On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 17:24, Tom Cook wrote:
> "Michael P. Soulier" wrote:
> >
> > On 19/03/02 Casper Labuschagne did speaketh:
> >
> > > May I point at the Linux community (for the greater part at least) is
> > > racist, bigotted and prejudiced per se. To illustrate my point observe
> > > the
"Michael P. Soulier" wrote:
>
> On 19/03/02 Casper Labuschagne did speaketh:
>
> > May I point at the Linux community (for the greater part at least) is
> > racist, bigotted and prejudiced per se. To illustrate my point observe the
> > reaction of extreme disgust and prejudice eminating from the
On 19/03/02 Casper Labuschagne did speaketh:
> May I point at the Linux community (for the greater part at least) is
> racist, bigotted and prejudiced per se. To illustrate my point observe the
> reaction of extreme disgust and prejudice eminating from the average Linux
> user when confronted by
Casper Labuschagne wrote:
> May I point at the Linux community (for the greater part at least) is
> racist, bigotted and prejudiced per se. To illustrate my point observe the
> reaction of extreme disgust and prejudice eminating from the average Linux
> user when confronted by the following termi
Jaldhar H. Vyas et al wrote:
>Subject: Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material
>Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>> And it is my right to fight tooth and nail to prevent debian
>> from sliding into censorship, since that makes debian worse.
May I point at the
You misunderstand my point. I really don't care if someone wished to read
Mein Kampf, or any other trash for that matter. That isn't the point. My
point is that I don't want *my* tax dollars to pay for it. I'm not saying,
it's not your tax dollars it's OUR tax dollars. and just to let y
Tom Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Wow, OK, I'm confused. Is this a Joke or not?
>
> I have heard of the anti-emacsen religion before - where is it based?
>
alt.religion.vim
Tom, as with your other post on debian-user, I got four copies of this
one! Obviously I need to adjust Gnus,
On Sunday 17 March 2002 21:45, Tom Cook wrote:
> > > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is
> > > purely your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness.
> >
> > b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong,
> > and i don't care how you want to s
p wrote:
[snip]
> > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness.
>
> b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herr
Alexey Vyskubov wrote:
>
> > > IMO, the correct decision would be for the Debian Jr. meta package to
> > > conflict with anything that may be offensive. We have things like the
> > > anarchy docs
> >
> > How are those offensive? I'm much, much more offended by bloated
> > software like gnome, but
>>"csj" == csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
csj> Where can I find this package. Is it in non-free?
Most regulars of the mailing lists know by now that I can't
spell. ;-)
__> apt-cache show display-dhammapada
Package: display-dhammapada
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 2
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:24:52 -0600
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vineet> If a simple change can make it more appropriate for his
> Vineet> daughter and daughters around the world, great! If everyone
>
> Not at the expense of freedom of speech. Some of my neighbors
> in
you wrote:
>so the subjective opinion of he who does the work is the only
>one that counts.
Which boils down to: complain and if you're complaint isn't handled:
remove the package?
I think there should be one other side to this issue:
if the package doesn't suffer from the removal of the offensi
* user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020315 00:42]:
> Let's just say that this is a free-speech issue. The point is that free-speech
Lets just say this isn't a free speech issue and worry about policies
that restrict the sort of 'speech' that a maintainer could become
liable for.
I don't want to see
>>"Scott" == Scott Dier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Scott> Perhaps you should try and work this out into policy if you
Scott> feel so strongly about it instead of feeding a war on -devel?
Nope. Debian policy is really technical policy. Non technical
issues can't be foisted onto the proj
* Lazarus Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020313 13:24]:
> > > Yo family's so black, when they hold hands, it looks like a
> > > stretch limo.
> > > There's no excuse for racism in Debian.
> Again, there is no excuse for racism in Debian. Other packages have
> elided the inappropriate material in t
>>"Jaldhar" == Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jaldhar> Censorship is suppression of an idea based on its' content. I didn't
Jaldhar> quote that from a dictionary but would you agree that's a reasonable
Jaldhar> definition?
Not quite. You are missing the significance of the
Hi,
>>"user" == user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
user> Let's just say that this is a free-speech issue. The point is
user> that free-speech does not reach into institutions.
Depends on the institution. Something like Debian, which
revolves around principles of freedom, may care
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Yes. Upstream seems to have admitted that this particular
> case was an oversight.
>
> Jaldhar> So the censorship has already occurred.
>
> Look at the definition of the word.
Censorship is suppression of an idea based on its' content.
>>"Jaldhar" == Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jaldhar> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> And it is my right to fight tooth and nail to prevent debian
>> from sliding into censorship, since that makes debian worse.
>>
Jaldhar> While all this bickering was going on, the maintainer did
[portions of previous messages snipped and rearranged for didactic
purposes]
Vineet Kumar said:
> Vineet> The beauty of our system is that it is run by the
> Vineet> community, and that it is free to be changed. He did what he
> Vineet> could to improve Debian rather than just walking away fro
>>"Vineet" == Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Vineet> * David D.W. Downey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020314 20:45]:
>> Your use of a distribution does NOT NOT NOT preclude YOU YOU YOU from being
>> socially an parentially responsible for ensuring your daughter does not see,
>> hear, or beco
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:16:19PM -0700, user list wrote:
> This will be a bit of a long message to bear with me. To keep your interest
> I will tell you straight off that this is not, I repeat NOT, a free speech
> issue. I will explain why below.
> I first want to point out that the package main
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:32:41 -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>Howdy,
I wrote the >> stuff --gt
>> Normally I wouldn't get into counting dancing angels on pinheads. The
>> above statements are idiocy of a dangerous brand. You hope "Mein Kampf"
>> would not be in your library? I suppose Henry Mi
On Thursday 14 March 2002 10:16 pm, user list wrote:
[snip]
> Let's just say that this is a free-speech issue. The point is that
> free-speech does not reach into institutions. If a racist statement were
> part of a program that communicated with other programs, it would not be
> allowed on any US
* David D.W. Downey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020314 20:45]:
> Your use of a distribution does NOT NOT NOT preclude YOU YOU YOU from being
> socially an parentially responsible for ensuring your daughter does not see,
> hear, or become exposed to any software or real world items you don't want
> her to
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't this exactly the obligation you impose when you allow that invariant
> sections from the GFDL are DFSG-free? The classic invariant section is
> literally RMS's soapbox in the EMACS documentation...
Yes, it is just such an obligation. But apparentl
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On 13 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
>Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Changing some working simply because you are offended by it is just
>> plain wrong. You are making a decision based solely on your own personal
>> criteria, rath
>>"Timothy" == Timothy R Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Timothy> You misunderstand my point. I really don't care if someone
Timothy> wished to read Mein Kampf, or any other trash for that
Timothy> matter. That isn't the point. My point is that I don't want
Timothy> *my* tax dollars to pa
This will be a bit of a long message to bear with me. To keep your interest
I will tell you straight off that this is not, I repeat NOT, a free speech
issue. I will explain why below.
I first want to point out that the package maintainer is a whole lot more
reasonable than most people on this thr
Hi,
> > > You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed,
> > > would you?
>
> Errm, 'scuse my poor English but... what's that in plain language?
> "Are you suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed"?
> Meaning, TRB believes they shouldn't be expressed? And those
On Thursday 14 March 2002 02:56 pm, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Warren Stramiello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 23:39]:
> > Trying to stir up passions by comparing snipping racist remarks from
> > source to the image of a torch-waving book burning (and the implicit
> > link to nazism) doesn't strike me a
.org;
debian-user@lists.debian.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: inappropriate racist and other offensive material
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:45:33PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wr
"Timothy R. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As I said, that is perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be
> happy if my tax dollars went toward buying Mein Kampf for a library. If you
> want to go find a bookstore that carries it and buy a copy or two - that is
> your right, a
> You may think this is trivial, and that I'm some bleeding-heart
> tree-hugger, but the fact is that this is racism, and should not be
> taken so lightly. There is a lot of racism in the world and we need to
> see it for what it is and do what we can to put an end to it. Not
> everything that men
* Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 03:46:40PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
...
> > You wouldn't be suggesting that opposing opinions should be expressed,
> > would
> > you?
Errm, 'scuse my poor English but... what's that in plain language?
"Are you
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 04:45:33PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> > >
> > > >b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> > > >don't care how you want to sli
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 11:25:48PM +, p wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
> >
> > >b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> > >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
> > No! bullshit to you
>
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:32, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> You misunderstand my point. I really don't care if someone wished to read
> Mein Kampf, or any other trash for that matter. That isn't the point. My
> point is that I don't want *my* tax dollars to pay for it. I'm not saying,
> however,
>> >b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
>> >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
>>
>> No! bullshit to you
>>
>> free speech is free.
>
>//
>
>please. in my country, yelling, "fire," in a crowded theater
>(that is not on fire)
On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:49:56AM +1100, John Griffiths wrote:
>
> >b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
> >don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
>
> No! bullshit to you
>
> free speech is free.
//
please. in my country, yell
Em Qui, 2002-03-14 às 18:10, John Griffiths escreveu:
> At 04:10 PM 3/14/02 -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> >I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
> >should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.
> >
>
> Lets leave national jurisprudence out of this eh?
>
> somewhere
Hi,
> What, don't I get to have some fun in this thread, too? Does being a
> DPL candidate mean you have to give up your sense of humor? Darn. Oh
> well, if so maybe you're better qualified to run than I am. ;-)
Hmm... DPL, that doesn't ring a bell. Do I *want* to know what it is? ;-)
> Wha
* Warren Stramiello ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 23:39]:
> Trying to stir up passions by comparing snipping racist remarks from
> source to the image of a torch-waving book burning (and the implicit
> link to nazism) doesn't strike me as a good analogy... the request that
Finally! The nazis! I invo
>b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color is patently wrong, and i
>don't care how you want to slice it or garnish it with "red herring":
No! bullshit to you
free speech is free.
* Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020314 10:04]:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:05:41PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> > * Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 18:34]:
> > > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness.
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:05:09PM +, p wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:10:46PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness.
> b.s.! making fun of someone else's skin color i
>>"Lev" == Lev Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Lev> I'm sure I'll get flamed to all hell with this, but... is it at
Lev> all possible that these sorts of threads could be taken off this
Lev> list, and put on the more appropriate debian-policy list? I'd
Lev> really like to take something
>>"Daniel" == Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Daniel> I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors
Daniel> Pornography" similar, so if it's not acceptable of publishing
Daniel> packages with "Minors porn", why is it acceptable of
Daniel> publishing packages with "Racism".
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 03:46:40PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> Just curious, but why do we have to drag Creationism into this, and further
> more, try to make all creationists look like backwards folks from six
> centuries ago?
What, don't I get to have some fun in this thread, too? Do
Hi,
> Yeah, but it's probably a good idea to stick that fortune in the
> "offensive" package, because the types of people who are likely to
> easily take offense likely also adhere to Creationism, believe in
> spontaneous generation, that the world is flat and was created in six
> days, that the Su
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:38:59PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> "Kurt Lieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Lazarus Long said:
> > > Again, there is no excuse for racism in Debian. Other packages have
> > > elided the inappropriate material in the past, as they should.
> >
> > No, they shouldn't. D
Howdy,
> Normally I wouldn't get into counting dancing angels on pinheads. The
> above statements are idiocy of a dangerous brand. You hope "Mein Kampf"
> would not be in your library? I suppose Henry Miller's writings are
> taboo also? Who else shall be proscribed? Ray Bradbury for sure is a
At 04:10 PM 3/14/02 -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
>should be asked to remove the Offensive Material.
>
Lets leave national jurisprudence out of this eh?
somewhere in the world, EVERYTHING is illegal...
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:54:35AM -0800, Lev Lvovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> is it at all possible that these sorts of threads could be taken off this
> list, and put on the more appropriate debian-policy list? I'd really like
God no. -policy is even more inappropriate; dump
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:10:46PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:04:14AM -0800, Lazarus Long wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 12:47:25AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote:
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Lazarus Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday,
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:18:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Jeremy Nickurak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The issue isn't whether we should keep racist material out of
> > debian. It's a matter of providing software without racist material
> > when people don't want racist material
On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 09:42:48AM +0200, Alexey Vyskubov wrote:
> Do you really believe this? The following citation is from 'science'
> fortune file, which is NOT in fortune-offensive:
>
> Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know
> what we are talking about, nor whet
I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors Pornography" similar,
so if it's not acceptable of publishing packages with "Minors porn", why
is it acceptable of publishing packages with "Racism".
I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
should be asked to remove the
I don't know, but I consider "Racism" and "Minors Pornography" similar,
so if it's not acceptable of publishing packages with "Minors porn", why
is it acceptable of publishing packages with "Racism".
I live in Brasil, and here, Racism is crime. I think the developer
should be asked to remove the O
Paul Smith wrote:
> %% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexey Vyskubov) writes:
>
> av> Yep. My religion doesn't allow me to have on my box anything
> av> emacs-related (= *emacs + packages with the sole purpose of
> av> supporting *emacs). Now gettext *depends* on gettext-el.
>
> FWIW, I was upgrading g
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:05:41PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 18:34]:
> > Any racism you perceive in either of those two statements is purely
> > your own ignorance and knee-jerk political correctness.
> Well, after reading the bug report, it looks lik
Duncan, very good way to put it. I have a 2yr old and 4yr old. I'm
teaching my boys what's right and what's not even though we do curtail
what he watches on TV, etc. He's just not ready for Celebrity
Deathmatch. My older son has a friend who's a couple years older. The
other day my wife hear
I'm sure I'll get flamed to all hell with this, but...
is it at all possible that these sorts of threads could be taken off this
list, and put on the more appropriate debian-policy list? I'd really like
to take something away from the discussions on the debian mailing lists,
but subjects like the
Hmm... that wouldn't be on my list of controversial books. How about a
better example. If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
think I could get that at my library? I certainly hope not. Should it be
there so that we can make sure the "Upstream" has a right to have his
"Timothy R. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
> think I could get that at my library? I certainly hope not.
My local public library (a small county) has one copy in German
and 4 English translations listed in the c
>>"Timothy" == Timothy R Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Timothy> Hi,
>> Tom Sawyer?
Huckelberry Finn, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Moll Flanders, any book on
the glories of the wild wild west and the native savages, Gone with
the wind, Quentin Durward, Ivanhoe (anti-semitic), hakespeare (al
>>"user" == user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
user> This whole discussion is really a bit adolescent. The joke is
user> racist. It is about being black. If this sort of crap stays in
user> the distribution, it goes off of all of my machines. I am both
user> deeply offended and deeply emba
>>"Timothy" == Timothy R Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Similar to what another poster said, the day Debian starts censoring is the
>> day I stop advocating Debian as a distro.
Timothy> I question whether it is censorship to remove and/or
Timothy> seperate racist material from accept
* Duncan Findlay ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
...
> Mr. Long,
> I don't know how old your daughter is, but I'm 100% sure that she will be
> exposed to more content that you deem inappropriate than you could
> possibly control. Perhaps instead of trying to protect your daughter from
> the inapp
On Thursday 14 March 2002 02:04, Ben Collins wrote:
> > > I think it is unreasonable. That's like saying that the library
> > > has a right to burn books that it finds filthy or innappropriate.
> > > If you
> >
> > Perhaps, but please go into your library and tell me how many
> > racist books are
%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexey Vyskubov) writes:
av> Yep. My religion doesn't allow me to have on my box anything
av> emacs-related (= *emacs + packages with the sole purpose of
av> supporting *emacs). Now gettext *depends* on gettext-el.
FWIW, I was upgrading gettext yesterday and happened t
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:08:24PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> begin Lazarus Long quotation:
> > Again, there is no excuse for racism in Debian. [...]
>
> Why are you bringing this from debian-devel to debian-user without
> telling us what it's all about?
debian-devel was dropped straight in
Ben Collins wrote:
Again, there is no excuse for racism in Debian. Other packages have
elided the inappropriate material in the past, as they should. An IRC
client has no business being racist. Debian is a distribution that
specifically caters to children; note the debian-junior project.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:02:34PM -0700, user list wrote:
> This whole discussion is really a bit adolescent. The joke is racist.
> It is about being black.
Yes.
> If this sort of crap stays in the distribution,
> it goes off of all of my machines. I am both deeply offended and deeply
> embarra
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:55:48 -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>
>> Similar to what another poster said, the day Debian starts censoring is the
>> day I stop advocating Debian as a distro.
>
> I question whether it is censorship to remove and/or seperate racist
>material from acceptable things. If
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:32:07 -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
>Hi,
>> Tom Sawyer?
>
> Hmm... that wouldn't be on my list of controversial books. How about a
>better example. If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
>think I could get that at my library? I certainly hope not.
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 06:32, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> Hi,
> > Tom Sawyer?
>
> Hmm... that wouldn't be on my list of controversial books.
Well, it would be on mine
> How about a
> better example. If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
> think I could get that at my lib
On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 21:52, Ben Collins wrote:
> IMO, the correct decision would be for the Debian Jr. meta package to
> conflict with anything that may be offensive. We have things like the
> anarchy docs
And already we see where this leads to. How the f is anarchy offensive?
The moment anarchy
> > Tom Sawyer?
>
> Hmm... that wouldn't be on my list of controversial books.
Then re-read it.
> better example. If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
> think I could get that at my library?
No need to go to library. First link at google will do the trick.
Probably yo
> > IMO, the correct decision would be for the Debian Jr. meta package to
> > conflict with anything that may be offensive. We have things like the
> > anarchy docs
>
> How are those offensive? I'm much, much more offended by bloated
> software like gnome, but I can choose not to install it withou
> install bitchx without getting these messages. Contrast with fortunes,
> where a seperate "offensive" fortunes package has to be installed if you
> want it.
Do you really believe this? The following citation is from 'science'
fortune file, which is NOT in fortune-offensive:
Thus mathematics may
* Petro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020313 18:34]:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:04:14AM -0800, Lazarus Long wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 12:47:25AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote:
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Lazarus Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2
>>"Alan" == Alan James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alan> Do debian developers not have a duty to honor the wishes of Our
Alan> Users and Free Software ?
Up to a point. Does this mean I ask how high when some users
says jump? No.
Alan> Is it not a reasonable request that this statemen
Hi,
> Tom Sawyer?
Hmm... that wouldn't be on my list of controversial books. How about a
better example. If I wanted to read Mein Kampf (sp?) by Adoph Hitler, do you
think I could get that at my library? I certainly hope not. Should it be
there so that we can make sure the "Upstream" has a ri
This whole discussion is really a bit adolescent. The joke is racist.
It is about being black. If this sort of crap stays in the distribution,
it goes off of all of my machines. I am both deeply offended and deeply
embarrassed that Debian has no more sense than to put this stuff on
everyone's mach
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:56:08PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
> Howdy,
> > I think it is unreasonable. That's like saying that the library has a
> > right to burn books that it finds filthy or innappropriate. If you
>
> Perhaps, but please go into your library and tell me how many racist b
"Kurt Lieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Lazarus Long said:
> > Again, there is no excuse for racism in Debian. Other packages have
> > elided the inappropriate material in the past, as they should.
>
> No, they shouldn't. Debian is not about censorship. I personally find the
> quoted joke
> > I think it's reasonable for the Debian maintainer of the package to
> > remove the comments from his version; it's really up to him (or a
> > General Resolution or other override) to make that decision.
>
> I think it is unreasonable. That's like saying that the library has a
> right to burn b
Howdy,
> I think it is unreasonable. That's like saying that the library has a
> right to burn books that it finds filthy or innappropriate. If you
Perhaps, but please go into your library and tell me how many racist books
are in there. I would be more than willing to bet that your average lib
On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 02:04, Lazarus Long wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 12:47:25AM -0700, Adam Conrad wrote:
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Lazarus Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:55 PM
> > >
> > > Yo family's so black, when they ho
> Similar to what another poster said, the day Debian starts censoring is the
> day I stop advocating Debian as a distro.
I question whether it is censorship to remove and/or seperate racist
material from acceptable things. If someone started to include X-rated
pictures in Debian, does that m
Jeremy Nickurak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The issue isn't whether we should keep racist material out of
> debian. It's a matter of providing software without racist material
> when people don't want racist material, joke or otherwise.
Right now, I have no trouble: I don't use bitchx.
If I w
>The issue isn't whether we should keep racist material out of debian. It's
a matter of providing software without racist material when people don't
want racist material, joke or otherwise. Right now, there is no way to
install bitchx without getting these messages. Contrast with fortunes,
where a
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 04:50 pm, Warren Stramiello wrote:
> If there is no dissent on that particular joke being racist, then the
> course is fairly obvious- fix the matter.
The course is by no means obvious. Not to sound reactionary, but once we
start down the slippery slope of censorship,
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:52:04PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> IMO, the correct decision would be for the Debian Jr. meta package to
> conflict with anything that may be offensive. We have things like the
> anarchy docs
How are those offensive? I'm much, much more offended by bloated
software like
This bug is fixed. This is no longer an issue.
Please dont reply to this thread, or at least dont CC every other list about
it..
Yes, I was foolish enough to group reply already, sorry.
You can get the get the details of this mess from :
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no\&
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If an individual developer feels it's warranted, then by all means, they
> can do so. But making it a Debian motto to do such is a bad idea.
Oh, certainly. I don't think we should have *any* kind of Debian
policy on such things.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:58:12PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Changing some working simply because you are offended by it is just
> > plain wrong. You are making a decision based solely on your own personal
> > criteria, rather than that of s
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Changing some working simply because you are offended by it is just
> plain wrong. You are making a decision based solely on your own personal
> criteria, rather than that of sound technical advice.
I think a Debian developer has a perfectly legitimate ri
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