Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-30 Thread Nate Duehr
John Stumbles wrote: Nate Duehr wrote: The newbies don't remember bridges. You're going to be here for a while explaining it if you're in the mood to teach. Some of us remember when you needed them to break up a too-busy LAN into segments... Yup: a very expensive box connected via D15 cab

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-28 Thread John Stumbles
Nate Duehr wrote: The newbies don't remember bridges. You're going to be here for a while explaining it if you're in the mood to teach. Some of us remember when you needed them to break up a too-busy LAN into segments... Yup: a very expensive box connected via D15 cables to transceivers l

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-28 Thread John Stumbles
Nate Duehr wrote: The newbies don't remember bridges. You're going to be here for a while explaining it if you're in the mood to teach. How about: http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/lan-pages/bridge.html Some of us remember when you needed them to break up a too-busy LAN into segm

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-28 Thread Wackojacko
Mike McCarty wrote: Back in the bad old days, it was common to have cross over adapters for RS232 equipment. But I can't recall having seen a cross over adapter for the 100 Base T stuff. Mike I mentioned this earlier in the thread, because this is exactly what I used on my home network origi

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-28 Thread Mike McCarty
Jon Dowland wrote: At 1146138645 past the epoch, Mike McCarty wrote: Eh? I think not. Even a cheap crimping tool will cost about $30 USD. Cheaper by far to buy a router or switch (I wouldn't get a hub; a router is preferable to a switch) with 4 or more ports for $40 USD, and then be expandable.

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-28 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1146138645 past the epoch, Mike McCarty wrote: > Jon Dowland wrote: > >If you have an ethernet patch cable already and want to > >save some money, you could get the schematic for a > >crossover and rewire it rather than buying a new one. > >However I expect you will find one cheap enough to save

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Nate Duehr
Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? A switch uses MAC addresses for ascertaining where to forward a message. It is unaware of IP addresses, so it cannot connect different nets. Yup. That's bridging

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Nate Duehr
John Stumbles wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? A switch uses MAC addresses for ascertaining where to forward a message. It is unaware of IP addresses, so it cannot connect different nets. Yup. That's bridging, defined in 802.1d http:

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Michael M.
Mike McCarty wrote: To put it another way, I was trying to help a newbie understand the tradeoffs which would enter into a decision of whether to use a crossover cable, a hub, a switch, or a router. I find that many don't really know the differences or even appreciate that there are differences

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
John Stumbles wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? A switch uses MAC addresses for ascertaining where to forward a message. It is unaware of IP addresses, so it cannot connect different nets. Yup. That's bridging, defined in 802.1d h

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread John Stumbles
Mike McCarty wrote: John Stumbles wrote: What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? A switch uses MAC addresses for ascertaining where to forward a message. It is unaware of IP addresses, so it cannot connect different nets. Yup. That's bridging, defined in 802.1d http://www.ieee802.org/1/pa

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
John Stumbles wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: Switch Disadvantages:Not secure. Cannot act as a bridge. What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? When I was a network admin a switch _was_ a bridge (a multi-port one). Is the word used differently now? A switch use

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread John Stumbles
Mike McCarty wrote: Switch Disadvantages:Not secure. Cannot act as a bridge. What do you mean "Cannot act as a bridge"? When I was a network admin a switch _was_ a bridge (a multi-port one). Is the word used differently now? And what do you mean by 'not secure'

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-27 Thread Mike McCarty
Jon Dowland wrote: At 1145901154 past the epoch, Serena Cantor wrote: You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. If you have an ethernet patch cable already and want to save some money, you could get the schematic for a crossover

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-26 Thread Wackojacko
Jon Dowland wrote: At 1145901154 past the epoch, Serena Cantor wrote: You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. If you have an ethernet patch cable already and want to save some money, you could get the schematic for a crossover an

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-26 Thread erchamion . beren
On Monday 24 April 2006 16:39, Serena Cantor wrote: > I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? > > I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running > Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the > connection? Is there Linux command that send a message > thru eth0 interf

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-25 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1145901154 past the epoch, Serena Cantor wrote: > You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it > does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. If you have an ethernet patch cable already and want to save some money, you could get the schematic for a crossover and rewire it rather

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread IraqiGeek
On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:15 AM GMT, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:52, Serena Cantor wrote: You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. Cheap 4 port hubs=$40, half duplex. Cheap 8 port switch=

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 April 2006 20:52, Serena Cantor wrote: >You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it >does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. > Cheap 4 port hubs=$40, half duplex. Cheap 8 port switch=$60, full duplex, which would you buy? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble wit

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Serena Cantor wrote: > You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it > does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. > > PS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not seems to be a > valid address,right? > Please don't top post :-) You are correct that it is not a valid address. Since the list a

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Serena Cantor
You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. PS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not seems to be a valid address,right? --- Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me elaborate on what 0yvind said. > > You cannot directly connect two computer

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Colin
Serena Cantor wrote: > I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? > > I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running > Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the > connection? Is there Linux command that send a message > thru eth0 interface to display on the other PC

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Øyvind Lode
Serena Cantor wrote: I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the connection? Is there Linux command that send a message thru eth0 interface to display on the other PC? Thanks!

Re: how to test Ethernet connection

2006-04-24 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Serena Cantor wrote: I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? Perhaps and over-simple suggestion but... If you give them both an IP address on the same network, you should be able to "ping" one from the other. Regards -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spa