On Mon 13 Apr 2020 at 09:47:25 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 - (UTC) Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-11, wrote:
> > >
> > > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> > > hit in the search engine.
> >
> > I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50
On 13/04/2020 14:53, Celejar wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
thinking that you are located in your DC?
So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali,
On 04/13/2020 08:53 AM, Celejar wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
thinking that you are located in your DC?
So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of C
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> >> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
> >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
>
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:03:30 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, wrote:
> >
> > Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> > hit in the search engine.
>
> I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that
> demonstrates anything).
>
>
> https://ww
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:28:51AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > GeocodeNominatim *
> > geocode_nominatim_get_gnome (void)
> > {
> > GeocodeNominatim *backend;
> >
> > G_LOCK (backend_nominatim_gnome_lock);
> > backend = g_weak_ref_
Andrei writes:
> This very much ISP dependent. My current one will allocate new IPs (v4
> as well as v6) on every re-connection, so the only way to keep the
> same IPs is connection uptime.
> The only benefits I can think of from their side is less management
> overhead and charging for fixed IPs
On 2020-04-12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> I was only trying to point out that just querying an external geoip
> database has similar privacy implications as any regular internet access
> (the server will learn your IP and can, at will, get your aproximate
> location from a geoip database).
>
> The
On Du, 12 apr 20, 09:43:08, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > Just to clarify, the privacy concern here is the software accessing the
> > internet without explicit user consent, regardless of what it is using
>
> That's not my understanding. I understood the OP explicitly
On 2020-04-12, wrote:
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:48:40AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Just to clarify, the privacy concern here is the software accessing the
>> internet without explicit user consent, regardless of what it is using
>> this information for (internal only or prov
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:48:40AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[...]
> Just to clarify, the privacy concern here is the software accessing the
> internet without explicit user consent, regardless of what it is using
> this information for (internal only or providing it to other software).
Wha
On 2020-04-12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> On Du, 12 apr 20, 08:05:49, Curt wrote:
>> Surely there must be a way of stracing the Maps app in Gnome to
>> determine what it is doing and how, with a view to seeing whether the
>> OP's privacy settings are being respected or not. It does appear,
>> thou
On Du, 12 apr 20, 08:05:49, Curt wrote:
>
> Surely there must be a way of stracing the Maps app in Gnome to
> determine what it is doing and how, with a view to seeing whether the
> OP's privacy settings are being respected or not. It does appear,
> though, at any rate, that a 50 m radius geolocat
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 08:05:49AM -, Curt wrote:
[...]
> Surely there must be a way of stracing the Maps app in Gnome to
> determine what it is doing and how [...]
Shudder.
I just had some quality time stracing Firefox -- and don't want to
imagine how stracing Gnome is like. I have some ne
On 2020-04-12, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Do you have your own static IP, or do you use an IP from your ISP?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Did I ask the wrong question? I don't understand -- you have both?
>
>
I have a static ip (I think) attributed by my ISP (the one not precluding
the other).
This sit
On 2020-04-11, Joe wrote:
>>
>> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>>
>> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>>
>> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
>> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into
>> Google's search engine, whi
On Sb, 11 apr 20, 20:31:46, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> And I have discovered a way to have a fixed IPv4 address. My router's mac
> which I have cloned into a second emergency router, is how they assign
> an ipv4 address to me, net result has been a fixed dns address, so I am
> now on my 3rd 5 year
On Saturday 11 April 2020 19:14:22 John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > And I live in the easternmost London Borough. So much for accuracy.
> > My ISP's national HQ is in Sheffield, but where the hell Washington
> > comes from, I don't know.
>
> GeoIP usually (though not always) puts me in Elk Mou
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 04:09:46 PM Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:48:00 AM Curt wrote:
> >> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
> >>
> >> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
> >>
> >> and it nails my location approxim
Joe writes:
> And I live in the easternmost London Borough. So much for accuracy. My
> ISP's national HQ is in Sheffield, but where the hell Washington comes
> from, I don't know.
GeoIP usually (though not always) puts me in Elk Mound because that's
where the CenturyLink concentrator that I connec
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> >> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
> >> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
On 2020-04-11, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:48:00 AM Curt wrote:
>> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>>
>> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>>
>> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
>> entered the latitudinal and l
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:48:00 AM Curt wrote:
> BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>
> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>
> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
> sear
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:32:31 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would
> >> say, always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo
On 2020-04-11, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
> Curt wrote:
>
> Hello Curt,
>
>>BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
>> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>
> That puts my IP in West Sussex. Still a long way off from where I am.
> Based on where my
On 2020-04-11, wrote:
>
> Note that I'm not recommending that site. It was just one
> hit in the search engine.
I found another outfit that nailed me within a 50 meter radius (if that
demonstrates anything).
https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo
I'm not recommending these people either, BTW.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:32:31 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>I wanted to try this myself but got a
>
> 403 Permission Denied
> You do not have permission for this request
Worked for me.
Apparently, I'm on top of Nelson's Column (London, England). In
reality, I'm about 160 miles west(is
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:48:00 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>BTW, I fed my IP address to this site
> https://www.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
That puts my IP in West Sussex. Still a long way off from where I am.
Based on where my ISP connection is located, I think.
--
Regards _
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:32:31PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-11, wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> >> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is
On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
>> >
>> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
>> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
>> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
>> And
>> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10
On 2020-04-11, wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
>> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
>> based location.
>
> Just for kicks, I entere
On 2020-04-11, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
>
> This is precisely my issue. I set Location Services to Off in Gnome
> settings. And then a Gnome app, like Gnome Maps, provides me with my
> location. If you can advise me on how to report this to the Gnome
At what level of granularity (country/city/neig
Hi.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:28:51AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > It's jus
Anil writes:
> Location Services are set to Off
This may mean that requests for location service by a browser or a script
started by a browser will be declined, the intent being to prevent your
location from being given out to Web sites.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:49:50AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
[...]
> I should not have said a 10 meter radius, thats not fair. I would say,
> always, within a 50 meter radius. Which imo is pretty precise for IP
> based location.
Just for kicks, I entered my external IP address into https://
> >
> > Perhaps it simply looks up your IP address. Would I be right in
> > thinking that you are located in your DC?
> So. I right now physically in the beautiful city of Cali, Colombia.
> And
> Gnome Maps is showing my location precise to about a 10 meter radius
> of
> my actual location. That i
On Sat, 2020-04-11 at 10:33 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 10 apr 20, 08:24:41, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> > I don't know if somehow ISPs here have a more detailed (precise
> > location) database based on IP, or if that is possible at all.
>
> As far as I can tell it depends a lot on t
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 09:37:34AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > Perhaps just a misunderstanding, and Gnome simply calls
> > "geolocation" [...]
> > I just don't know.
> Just fyi. I am on a machine with a newly installed Deb
On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 09:48 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 09 Apr 2020 at 07:49:46 (-0500), Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> > I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even
> > though
> > my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to
> > Off),
> > when I enter the
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > > > > The software behaviour does not depend on one'
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 15:35 +, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
> > > On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > > > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> > >
> > > It does and can quite often depend on *user configur
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 14:27 +, Curt wrote:
> The paradox or enigma here might be the fact that the OP complained
> in
> this forum that his Night Light feature had gotten his location
> rather
> wrong by what we can only assume was the same, IP-based method
> (before he
> presumably manually fe
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 17:51 +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it
> > > usually
> > > puts me on the oth
On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 15:47 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it
> > > usually
> > > puts me on the other
On 2020-04-11, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> On Vi, 10 apr 20, 08:24:41, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if somehow ISPs here have a more detailed (precise
>> location) database based on IP, or if that is possible at all.
It would be interesting to know if there is an appreciable diff
On Vi, 10 apr 20, 08:24:41, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>
> I don't know if somehow ISPs here have a more detailed (precise
> location) database based on IP, or if that is possible at all.
As far as I can tell it depends a lot on the ISP.
My current one apparently maintains its database down to
Anil writes:
> Is there any way I could check to see exactly where Gnome Maps is getting
> the location from? What is the default geolocation service installed by
> Gnome or Debian?
I misread Gnome Maps as Google Maps.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On 2020-04-10, mick crane wrote:
>
> What I'm not understanding is why there are these complex window manager
> things.
You're hijacking the thread (and trolling). Please refrain.
> Presumably people want an easy way to click on a picture and make use
> some software ?
>
>
> mick
--
Reco writes:
> I'm saying that it can. Too lazy to dig into the Javascript that GNOME
> Maps is written. Explains the behaviour OP's seeing IMO.
It can also be explained by IP-based geolocation being accurate in that
particular case, as it sometimes is.
If the OP has a Google account Google has a
On 2020-04-09 13:49, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
hello,
I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
when I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
location on the map.
thank you,
W
On Fri 10 Apr 2020 at 16:11:16 (-), Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, wrote:
> >
> >> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
> >> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
> >> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?
>
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 04:11:16PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, wrote:
[...]
> > Perhaps just a misunderstanding [...]
> > I just don't know.
>
> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/privacy-location.html.en
>
> Geolocation, or location services, uses cell tower positioning,
On 2020-04-10, wrote:
>
>> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
>> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off in his
>> privacy settings, in blatant disregard of those settings?
>> That is really an egregious bug, then, and should be reporte
On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > And GNOME Maps has this neat library as a dependency that can use
>> > geolocation regardless of the said setting.
>>
>> So you're saying that Gnome Maps *uses* the geolocation library even in
>> the case of a user who has explicitly turned that "feature" off
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
> >> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> >>
> >> It does and can quite often depend on *use
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:35:01PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
> >> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
> >>
> >> It does and can quite often depend on *use
On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
>> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
>> >
>> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
>>
>> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the
>> OP I
>> believe has informed u
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 03:14:33PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
> >
> > The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
>
> It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the
> OP I
> believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation ser
On 2020-04-10, Reco wrote:
>
> The software behaviour does not depend on one's beliefs.
It does and can quite often depend on *user configuration*, though, and the OP I
believe has informed us he has *turned off* geolocation services.
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/privacy-locati
On Fri 10 Apr 2020 at 08:24:41 (-0500), Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
> >
> I don't belie
Hi.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
>
> I
On 2020-04-10, wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
>> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often
I wrote:
> It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> not.
Anil Felipe Duggirala writes:
> I don't believe this is the case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
--
John Hasler
jhas
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 08:24:41AM -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> > puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> > not.
> >
> I don't bel
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, at 11:16 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
> puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
> not.
>
I don't believe this is the case. It's putting me right on the spot where I am.
I live in Col
It's just looking up your IP. The method isn't reliable (it usually
puts me on the other side of the state) but it works more often than
not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Thu 09 Apr 2020 at 07:49:46 (-0500), Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
> my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
> when I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
> location on the m
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 07:49:46AM -0500, Anil F Duggirala wrote:
> hello,
> I am running Gnome 3 in Debian Buster. I am wondering why, even though
> my Location Services are set to Off (and has always been set to Off),
> when I enter the Gnome Maps application, it determines and shows my
> locati
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