Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected andquarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-21 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:53:06 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope; debian-chinese-big5, debian-chinese-gb, debian-japanese, and > debian-user-indonesian all exist. (Does Indonesian count?) o.O Whoops. > In general I think you should direct suggestions for improvement of the >

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-21 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 07:23:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:12:20 +0100 > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Newsflash: they are. They're just not perfect, unfortunately. > > I am aware of that. I just wonder why, for example, we're getting > asian spam here

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected andquarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:32:23 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not a binary, it's ASCII. And what you say applies only if > you're sending to morons who open every binary attachment without > fail, or take the opposite (and equally harmful) view and strip every > attachment with

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:16:26PM -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > > Because your average /var/log/XFree86.0.log is longer than 2K ;-) > > Don't send it as an attachment - inline it. Malware must be sent as an > attachment - information can be p

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected andquarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:12:20 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Newsflash: they are. They're just not perfect, unfortunately. I am aware of that. I just wonder why, for example, we're getting asian spam here when my filters hit it as spam up to 8 with undesirable languages on. A

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:03:46AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:46:29 -0400 > Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For your sanity, I recommend using a bayesian filter[1] and training it > > to recognize such noise as spam and filter the spam into a junk > > buc

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected andquarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Steve Lamb
On 20 Aug 2003 20:16:26 -0400 Bret Comstock Waldow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't send it as an attachment - inline it. Malware must be sent as an > attachment - information can be put in the body (although someone might > want to send a screen capture or something). Because the average m

Re: explanation of the noise

2003-08-20 Thread Auke Jilderda
I suspect these lists are running spam filters but they can never get up to the same hit rate as personal filters: One can simply not take the risk of false-positives on a list since that basically denies access to a list. Hence, there will always remain a certain amount of false-negatives pr

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detectedand quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 04:31, Nicos Gollan wrote: > On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:10, Carl Fink wrote: > > How about this list silently discarding (or bouncing) all messages > > that contain attachments over 2K? (Exception there to cover PGP > > signatures.) > > Because your average /var/log/XFr

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 15:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A very old and worn out discussion is: why not make the lists subscriber > only? > > Is there another reason other than too much traffic? > > As for too much traffic, what I have done is subscribe, post requesting > to get a Cc: and then

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected andquarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:46:29 -0400 Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For your sanity, I recommend using a bayesian filter[1] and training it > to recognize such noise as spam and filter the spam into a junk > bucket. I've always wondered why the lists aren't running Bayesian f

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread moseley
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Nicos Gollan wrote: > On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:10, Carl Fink wrote: > > How about this list silently discarding (or bouncing) all messages > > that contain attachments over 2K? (Exception there to cover PGP > > signatures.) > > Because your average

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-20 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:10, Carl Fink wrote: > How about this list silently discarding (or bouncing) all messages > that contain attachments over 2K? (Exception there to cover PGP > signatures.) Because your average /var/log/XFree86.0.log is longer than 2K ;-) -- Got Backup? -- To UNS

Re: explanation of the noise (was Re: Norton AntiVirus detected and quarantined a virus in a message you sent.)

2003-08-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 09:46:29PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > For your sanity, I recommend using a bayesian filter[1] and training it > to recognize such noise as spam and filter the spam into a junk > bucket. How about this list silently discarding (or bouncing) all messages that cont