On Saturday 02 May 2009 19:02:42 Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> There's nothing special about how Ubuntu does it. In fact, when you
> install Etch you can have the Ubuntu behavior at installation time (when it
> prompts for a root password, select Cancel, then in the installer menu,
> select the opt
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:09:22PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090506023930.gb12...@samad.com.au>, Alex Samad wrote:
> >how can you create files in $HOME that the owner of $HOME can't delete
> >?
>
> b...@monster:~$ sudo mkdir data
> [sudo] password for bss:
> b...@monster:~$ sudo
In <20090506023930.gb12...@samad.com.au>, Alex Samad wrote:
>how can you create files in $HOME that the owner of $HOME can't delete
>?
b...@monster:~$ sudo mkdir data
[sudo] password for bss:
b...@monster:~$ sudo touch data/file
b...@monster:~$ rm -rf data
rm: cannot remove `data/file': Permission
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 03:36:50PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote:
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> > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu
> > was heard to say:
> >> On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
>
> Bu
On Sat, 2 May 2009 17:51:35 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby wrote:
...
> On this desktop computer, I also dual boot into Ubuntu 8.04. Ubuntu 8.04
> can do things that I have been unable to do with Debian 4.0, such as
> viewing .wmv files.
I can view wmv files fine on my Debian Sid; can you provide an
On Monday 04 May 2009 19:10:44 Harry Rickards wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Harry Rickards wrote:
> >> But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could
> >> either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my
> >> opinion.
> >
> > Aptitude doesn't need root to ru
On 4 May 2009, at 21:01, Andrei Popescu
wrote:
On Mon,04.May.09, 19:10:44, Harry Rickards wrote:
Sorry, yeah I was thinking of aptitude as in 'aptitude install bash',
not aptitude as the gui-based tool.
aptitude search interesting_package
Yeah, there's that as well.
Many thanks
Harry
On Mon,04.May.09, 19:10:44, Harry Rickards wrote:
> Sorry, yeah I was thinking of aptitude as in 'aptitude install bash',
> not aptitude as the gui-based tool.
aptitude search interesting_package
;)
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> Harry Rickards wrote:
>
>> But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could
>> either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my opinion.
>
> Aptitude doesn't need root to run. I tell my users
Harry Rickards wrote:
> But if they can run aptitude in the first place, surely they could
> either su to root or use sudo to read or delete the files. Just my opinion.
Aptitude doesn't need root to run. I tell my users to check aptitude if
they want to find out if I'm willing to install it (lar
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu
was heard to say:
> On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>
> > However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store
> > user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you always run
> > aptitude
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Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu
> was heard to say:
>> On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>>
>>> However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store
>>> user prefe
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:51:28AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>
> > However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store
> > user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you always run
> > aptitude as yourself
On Sun,03.May.09, 10:18:49, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> However, does the package management software (as aptitude does) store
> user preferences in the home directory? If, for example, you always run
> aptitude as yourself then give it the root password when prompted, it
> stores your preferences
2009/5/4 Mark Allums :
> Raquel wrote:
>> I don't think that aptitude will run as $user, Douglas. It always
>> runs as root. At least, that's what it's always told me when I've
>> mistakenly tried to run it as $user.
>
> It runs as user (in GUI mode), but it won't attempt to make changes to the
>
Raquel wrote:
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:18:49 -0400
"Douglas A. Tutty" wrote:
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo
facility for users, the package management (both
adding/removing packages, and
On Sun, 3 May 2009 10:18:49 -0400
"Douglas A. Tutty" wrote:
> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > Bret Busby wrote:
> > > Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo
> > > facility for users, the package management (both
> > > adding/removing packages
> [...] If you later run
> aptitude as root, those prefernces won't be active. Also, vis-versa.
So copy them?
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On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 07:29:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Bret Busby wrote:
> > Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for
> > users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and,
> > downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work
Bret Busby wrote:
> Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for
> users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and,
> downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work by
> entering only the root password.
The package management softwa
On Sat,02.May.09, 20:07:30, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> And for anyone that wants a root prompt without disabling sudo, the
> folowing command has worked for me on the various 'buntus:
>
> `sudo su'
Why not 'sudo -i' (I'm trying to keep it simple and no involve two
programs if avoidable)?
Regards,
A
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> Thank you for that.
>
> Before I try it, please advise whether, in removing the sudo facility for
> users, the package management (both adding/removing packages, and,
> downloading and installing updates, and using synaptic) will work by
> ent
On Sat, 2 May 2009, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On this computer, a desktop, I usually run Debian 4.0. I find it more
convenient, for most things, and I do not like the sudo that Ubuntu uses; I
prefer su - root. Before people start criticising
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 08:02:42PM EDT, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> I'm not looking to criticize your choice, but the setting on Ubuntu to
> lock root and use sudo is configurable (and you can, in fact,
> duplicate it on Debian if yo
And for anyone that wants a root prompt without disabling sudo, the
folowing command has worked for me on the various 'buntus:
`sudo su'
- Nate >>
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On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:51 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On this computer, a desktop, I usually run Debian 4.0. I find it more
> convenient, for most things, and I do not like the sudo that Ubuntu uses; I
> prefer su - root. Before people start criticising that preference, it it my
> preference, and
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, prad wrote:
we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
using one or the other.
are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
hardware)?
what's better for
>> Installing for new Linux users, hardware that does not have good FOSS
>> drivers, very tolerant community
>
> I can't say the situation is any better for Windows users in this
> regard, especially video drivers. At least Linux users are somewhat
> less screwed in that they still have a machine
Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
>
> Extreme devotion to FOSS ideals, environments where security and
> stability are most important.
>
>> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
>> hardware)?
>>
>
> Installin
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:17:37 -0500, Mark Allums posted:
[...]
> :)
;)
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> I never really paid attention to Ubuntu's package selection, however,
> since I used a stock configuration most of the time. Does anyone know
> if Ubuntu has the same vast package selection as Debian? Just
> wondering...
>
That depends more on your needs than anything. Ubuntu does have a vast
Petrus Validus wrote:
i would like to see some opinions and personal experiences regarding
these 2 excellent systems!
I used to use Ubuntu back in the 5.10 and 6.06 days for about a year or
so as a desktop. I liked it and it was alright but Debian's stability
and performance won me over!
I ne
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:25:35PM EDT, Kent West wrote:
[..]
> "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "I can't figure out how to install
> Debian".
After all, there is such a thing as miracles.. at long last s/o is
bringing a bit of sense to this nonsense.
And, I really mean..
Thanks,
CJ
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Zhengquan Zhang
wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:32:43PM -0700, paragasu wrote:
>> ubuntu == debian testing,
>>
>> if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
>
> The problem is this, debian is definetly stable for server. But after
> one or two years aft
Thorny wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:40:47 -0500, Mark Allums posted:
>
>
>> paragasu wrote:
>>
>>> ubuntu == debian testing,
>>>
>>> if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ubuntu = debian unstable
>>
>
> Ubuntu=(a snapshot of Debian unstable at the
Thorny wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:40:47 -0500, Mark Allums posted:
paragasu wrote:
ubuntu == debian testing,
if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
ubuntu = debian unstable
Ubuntu=(a snapshot of Debian unstable at the time)!=Debian unstable.
Note, I used an assignment o
> i would like to see some opinions and personal experiences regarding
> these 2 excellent systems!
I used to use Ubuntu back in the 5.10 and 6.06 days for about a year or
so as a desktop. I liked it and it was alright but Debian's stability
and performance won me over!
I never really paid atten
> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
Extreme devotion to FOSS ideals, environments where security and
stability are most important.
> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
> hardware)?
>
Installing for new Linux users, hardware tha
In <6b1504c40904260811h249ac7d4m14cc7d9b40c51...@mail.gmail.com>, Nuno
Magalhães wrote:
>Slightly OT-ish, but if i want to install an Ubuntu package on Debian.
>should i use dpkg -i or alien?
Not alien.
dpkg -i is a start, but it might fail. If it does, use the .dsc to build
new .deb. If that
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:00:15 -0700
prad wrote:
> we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
> using one or the other.
>
> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
> hardwa
> we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
> using one or the other.
> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
> hardware)?
I my mind, the difference between the two is:
Miles Fidelman writes:
> install from the upstream source
I'd try installing from the Ubuntu source.
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2009/4/26 Nuno Magalhães
> 2009/4/26 Johan Grönqvist :
> > I prefer debian whenever I want to use packages that (in ubuntu) belong
> to
> > the universe category. I find that in my personal experience, packages in
> > debian main seem more reliable than ubuntu universe.
> >
> > I find that I rath
Robert Hodgins wrote:
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 16:11 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
Slightly OT-ish, but if i want to install an Ubuntu package on Debian.
should i use dpkg -i or alien?
I wouldn't try to install an Ubuntu package on Debian.
Ditto.
I'd try:
1. look for the Debian vers
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 16:11 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Slightly OT-ish, but if i want to install an Ubuntu package on Debian.
> should i use dpkg -i or alien?
I wouldn't try to install an Ubuntu package on Debian.
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2009/4/26 Johan Grönqvist :
> I prefer debian whenever I want to use packages that (in ubuntu) belong to
> the universe category. I find that in my personal experience, packages in
> debian main seem more reliable than ubuntu universe.
>
> I find that I rather often want to have some package instal
prad skrev:
we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
using one or the other.
are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
hardware)?
I prefer debian whenever I want to use
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:40:47 -0500, Mark Allums posted:
> paragasu wrote:
>> ubuntu == debian testing,
>>
>> if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
>>
>>
>
> ubuntu = debian unstable
Ubuntu=(a snapshot of Debian unstable at the time)!=Debian unstable.
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On Sun,26.Apr.09, 03:59:01, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> If you want a commercial support contract, go with Ubuntu and get support
> from Canonical.
>
> I'm not saying you can't get commercial support for Debian, but that the
> closest thing to Debian is the a legal entity is SPI, and I don
In <20090425110015.08fe4...@gom>, prad wrote:
>we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
>using one or the other.
All that follow is just my opinion, but I've tried to justify it so it may
be the start of a rational process to guide the decision.
If you want a commerci
Mark Allums wrote:
> paragasu wrote:
>> ubuntu == debian testing,
>>
>> if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
>>
>
>
> ubuntu = debian unstable
>
>
ubuntu = a shapely Debian Unstable with lipstick and makeup
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prad wrote:
> we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
> using one or the other.
>
> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
All of them.
> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
> hardware)?
That's like aski
Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
>> For servers i'd definitely go for Debian. Ubuntu's commercial and you
>> can't be sure if it'll provide support in the future and how.
>
> Why do you think Ubuntu's commercial?
You mean other than it's financial dependence
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:32:43PM -0700, paragasu wrote:
> ubuntu == debian testing,
>
> if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
The problem is this, debian is definetly stable for server. But after
one or two years after the stable release. The devs on the server will
want the latest
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:00:15AM -0700, prad wrote:
> we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
> using one or the other.
>
> are there situations where debian is preferable (eg older hardware)?
> are there situations where ubuntu is preferable (eg picking up newer
> h
paragasu wrote:
ubuntu == debian testing,
if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
ubuntu = debian unstable
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> Why do you think Ubuntu's commercial?
Because they offer for-fee professional support?
2009/4/25 Robert Holtzman :
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
>> For servers i'd definitely go for Debian. Ubuntu's commercial and you
>> can't be sure if it'll provide support in the future and
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
For servers i'd definitely go for Debian. Ubuntu's commercial and you
can't be sure if it'll provide support in the future and how.
Why do you think Ubuntu's commercial?
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check the price of the
ubuntu == debian testing,
if you think debian outdated, try debian unstable.
On 4/25/09, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Hi
>
> For servers i'd definitely go for Debian. Ubuntu's commercial and you
> can't be sure if it'll provide support in the future and how. At least
> with Debian you know where you'
Hi
For servers i'd definitely go for Debian. Ubuntu's commercial and you
can't be sure if it'll provide support in the future and how. At least
with Debian you know where you're standing at all times.
I'd still go for Debian over Ubuntu but i'm biased, i'm kind of
allergic to Ubuntu. ;) I'd proba
>
>
>
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>From: p...@towardsfreedom.com
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: RE: debian and ubuntu
>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:00:15 -0700
>
>>we use (and support) both, but i'd like to establish a rationale for
>>using
On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 13:18 -0700, edwardsa wrote:
> Dave Ewart wrote:
> >On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
> >>that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
> >>that I
Dave Ewart wrote:
On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:
I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
that I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This
would be useful
On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:
> I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
> that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
> that I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This
> would be useful because I have
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