Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 07:54:48PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
> If you're not willing to do the work to diagnose your own system, then
> this thread is over.
Guess it's over. thanks to all who have tried to help.
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On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 11:43:29PM +, therealcyclist wrote:
> Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 07:18:36PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
> > If you are running "startx" on tty1 in Debian 11 and Xorg is running
> > as root instead of your regular user account, then START THERE.
>
> I have tested debian 12
Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 07:18:36PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
> On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 11:03:27PM +, therealcyclist wrote:
> > Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 08:26:55PM +0200 schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> > > i3-wm is a window manager, not a display manager. So it depends on
> > > what display manager
On Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 11:03:27PM +, therealcyclist wrote:
> Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 08:26:55PM +0200 schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> > i3-wm is a window manager, not a display manager. So it depends on
> > what display manager you're using (if any).
>
> so we assume that the majority use a displa
Am Sun, Jun 04, 2023 at 08:26:55PM +0200 schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> On 2023-06-02 22:21:56 +, therealcyclist wrote:
> > Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:07:05PM +0200 schrieb Michel Verdier:
> > > Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit :
> > >
> > > > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and
On 2023-06-02 22:21:56 +, therealcyclist wrote:
> Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:07:05PM +0200 schrieb Michel Verdier:
> > Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit :
> >
> > > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed
> > > i3-wm.
> > > I started i3 from tty with startx
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 08:22:27PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
>
> I was thinking of these changes in Stretch:
>
> * For many Intel graphics chipsets, the Stretch X server will use the
>modeset driver instead of the intel driver. The modeset driver may
>require non-free firmware (firmwar
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 12:11:47AM +, therealcyclist wrote:
> Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:52:03PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
> > No "needs_root_rights" here, so I don't know why yours needs it. Maybe
> > it's got something to do with driver selection? If I recall correctly
> > from the days
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:52:03PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge:
> That's quite strange. I have not installed bookworm, but I just upgraded
> to it. I use startx as well (but with fvwm instead of i3-wm), and I'm not
> seeing this problem. Xorg runs as me, just as it has done for the last
> few re
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 04:32:38PM +, therealcyclist wrote:
> I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm.
> I started i3 from tty with startx command as user.
> to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root.
> that can't be intentional, ca
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:07:05PM +0200 schrieb Michel Verdier:
> Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit :
>
> > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed
> > i3-wm.
> > I started i3 from tty with startx command as user.
> > to my surprise i found out that the xorg pr
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 09:24:13PM +0200 schrieb Sven Joachim:
>
> That is rather strange. The source of the wrapper program that decides
> whether Xorg needs root rights has not been touched for many years[1].
>
> Cheers,
>Sven
>
>
> 1.
> https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/xserver/xor
You linked to the Archlinux Wiki and I have installed i3-wm under archlinux and
there X11 runs without root privileges by default.
I assumed that it is the same under Debian because Debian is known for having
relatively safe default values.
It looks like i3 doesn't need x11 as root either.
On 2023-06-02 16:32 +, therealcyclist wrote:
> I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm.
> I started i3 from tty with startx command as user.
> to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root.
> that can't be intentional, can it?
As long
Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit :
> I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm.
> I started i3 from tty with startx command as user.
> to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root.
> that can't be intentional, can it?
Maybe because so
Nicolas George writes:
> Nicolas George (12020-02-19):
>> 8<8<8<8< xi2watch.c >8>8>8>8
>
> Hi.
>
> I am replying to my own mail of three years ago where I explained how to
> configure X11 to set different layouts on different keyboards and handle
> hot-plug
Nicolas George writes:
> Does the xmodmap effect stay if you run it manually after the keyboard
> is hot-plugged?
Yes. I don't have a desktop environment in use on my desktop computer
either so this should work for me.
Anssi Saari (12023-01-09):
> Wow. It's exactly what I need since I've started to use a USB switch in
> my home office. Assuming it works for me of course. I've thought about
> writing a udev rule but haven't gotten around to it.
I hope the program I wrote can help you.
> I've tried to run xmodmap
Nicolas George writes:
> Nicolas George (12020-02-19):
>> 8<8<8<8< xi2watch.c >8>8>8>8
>
> Hi.
>
> I am replying to my own mail of three years ago where I explained how to
> configure X11 to set different layouts on different keyboards and handle
> hot-plug
Nicolas George (12020-02-19):
> 8<8<8<8< xi2watch.c >8>8>8>8
Hi.
I am replying to my own mail of three years ago where I explained how to
configure X11 to set different layouts on different keyboards and handle
hot-plugging without root privileges. Since a
>
> > That means I managed to narrow down the issue. It’s firewall with
> > default policy DROP instead of REJECT. It also says something about Xorg
> > doing
> > something on network I have no idea what
>
> OK, It's even weirder - it's not firewall. It's a network. When I
> disconnect RJ45, n
> That means I managed to narrow down the issue. It’s firewall with
> default policy DROP instead of REJECT. It also says something about Xorg doing
> something on network I have no idea what
OK, It's even weirder - it's not firewall. It's a network. When I
disconnect RJ45, no issues, no freez
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 17:23, Marco Möller
> wrote:
> You will need to study the relevant documentation first. You then will
> find why two of the parameters are equal to "0" (it is because others
> are in use..., I mentioned already that there are more parameters
> present and I only mentione
On 16.06.20 12:59, John Radek wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 09:41, Marco Möller
wrote:
sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=
sudo sysctl vm.vfs_cache_pressure=
sudo sysctl vm.dirty_background_bytes=
sudo sysctl vm.dirty_bytes=
Thank you Marco.
I checked my current values
---
sudo sysctl vm.swappiness
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 09:41, Marco Möller
> wrote:
> sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=
> sudo sysctl vm.vfs_cache_pressure=
> sudo sysctl vm.dirty_background_bytes=
> sudo sysctl vm.dirty_bytes=
Thank you Marco.
I checked my current values
---
sudo sysctl vm.swappiness
# vm.swappiness = 60
sudo s
On 16.06.20 10:11, John Radek wrote:
It usually takes 30sec and then the desktop unfreeze and everything is
fine again.
This could be caused by the "vm.swappiness", "vm.vfs_cache_pressure" or
"vm.dirty" settings. These could be configured permanently in
/etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/myf
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:54:19PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > 6. apt install sysvinit-core elogind
> >
> > Ideally, at this point nothing except systemd would be uninstalled. In
> > practice, currently, an awful lot of things that you might actually want
> > get uninstall
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:54:19PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 6. apt install sysvinit-core elogind
>
> Ideally, at this point nothing except systemd would be uninstalled. In
> practice, currently, an awful lot of things that you might actually want
> get uninstalled.
Like what?
wooledg:~$ apt -s
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:59:16AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 01:05:58AM +, stefan.schwar...@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > I am using my laptop (lenovo T430, debian testing)
> > regularly in a docking station. The dock has a USB
> > keyboard, USB mouse and monitor permanently at
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 01:05:58AM +, stefan.schwar...@gmx.net wrote:
> I am using my laptop (lenovo T430, debian testing)
> regularly in a docking station. The dock has a USB
> keyboard, USB mouse and monitor permanently attached. The
> laptops suspends from time to time, and _after_ resumin
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, stefan.schwar...@gmx.net wrote:
> I am using my laptop (lenovo T430, debian testing) regularly in a docking
> station. The dock has a USB keyboard, USB mouse and monitor
> permanently attached. The laptops suspends from time to time, and _after_
> resuming X11 or some other
solved thanks.
need linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 from normal repository and X from
backports.
Filipe
On 29/05/2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 29 mai 12, 13:12:19, Filipe Freire wrote:
>> Dear All!
>>
>> I am running debian squeeze on a PC with intel i5 and graphics card:
>> VGA compatib
On Ma, 29 mai 12, 13:12:19, Filipe Freire wrote:
> Dear All!
>
> I am running debian squeeze on a PC with intel i5 and graphics card:
> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated
> Graphics Controller (rev 09)
You need the kernel and X from backports. This was discussed
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On 29/05/2012 12:35, Filipe Freire wrote:
> Dear All!
>
> I am running debian squeeze on a PC with intel i5 and graphics card:
> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated
> Graphics Controller (rev 09)
>
> x11 freezes if I
On Lu, 28 iun 10, 07:07:44, Charles Blair wrote:
>I recently upgraded from etch to lenny, and most features
> of the system seemed to be working.
>
>After a day or two with the new system, I am getting a
> character-based screen to log in, instead of the X display.
>
>Below, I give th
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 05:07, Charles Blair wrote:
> I recently upgraded from etch to lenny, and most features
> of the system seemed to be working.
>
> After a day or two with the new system, I am getting a
> character-based screen to log in, instead of the X display.
>
> Below, I give the
On 2010-06-28 14:07 +0200, Charles Blair wrote:
>I recently upgraded from etch to lenny, and most features
> of the system seemed to be working.
>
>After a day or two with the new system, I am getting a
> character-based screen to log in, instead of the X display.
Did X work previously?
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Camaleón writes:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:08:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> Camaleón writes:
>
>>> Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must
>>> something there :-?
>> Nothing really interesting there. Just:
>>
>> ==
>> A
On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:08:02 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Camaleón writes:
>> Just review your "/var/log/Xorg.0.log". If X crashed there must
>> something there :-?
> Nothing really interesting there. Just:
>
> ==
> AUDIT: Tue May 18 18:01:04 2010: 3716 X: client 33 rejected from local
> host
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Camaleón writes:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:24 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> I realized that my computer (this one, Debian Lenny, w. k.
>> 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem) was frozen. I tried escaping from the screensaver,
>> but nothing worked, except laun
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:08:24 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> I realized that my computer (this one, Debian Lenny, w. k.
> 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem) was frozen. I tried escaping from the screensaver,
> but nothing worked, except launching another tty, and restarting gdm.
> Here is the interesting output
On 2009-08-17 12:57, I Rattan wrote:
I am running Sidux and trying to compile plan9port.
I see the error messages:
...
x11-inc.h:13:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
x11-inc.h:14:23: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory
x11-inc.h:15:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file o
Hi,
I Rattan writes:
> what debian package may include these header files?
You can search which packages include a given file using apt-file.
Regards,
Ansgar
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 01:11:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2009-08-13 12:51, I Rattan wrote:
>>
>> I see the folowing error message repeatedly whenever I rey to use
>> mplayer:
>> ...
>> X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
>> X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources
On 2009-08-13 12:51, I Rattan wrote:
I see the folowing error message repeatedly whenever I rey to use
mplayer:
...
X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)1.1% 8 0
...
Any pointers/
How much free memory on your syst
On 2009-07-18_06:54:21, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 18 03:22 -0500]:
> > On Thu,16.Jul.09, 07:13:08, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > > * Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 16 06:05 -0500]:
> > >
> > > > > does seem as though there is a strong sentiment against HAL from
> > > > > several use
* Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 18 03:22 -0500]:
> On Thu,16.Jul.09, 07:13:08, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 16 06:05 -0500]:
> >
> > > > does seem as though there is a strong sentiment against HAL from
> > > > several users. You might contact the Xorg developers and ask nicely
On Thu,16.Jul.09, 18:19:54, Dirk wrote:
>
> You suggest that everyone compiles X11 him-/herself now?
>
> To downgrade or to even switch whole distributions because of a
> single stubborn package maintainer?
>
> How about that package maintainer just turns a dependency back into
> a recommendatio
On Thu,16.Jul.09, 07:13:08, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 16 06:05 -0500]:
>
> > > does seem as though there is a strong sentiment against HAL from
> > > several users. You might contact the Xorg developers and ask nicely
> > > for them to remove the dependency.
> >
> > I do
On Thu,16.Jul.09, 18:29:31, Dirk wrote:
>
> I can imagine making Linux safer to use for beginners by having a
> daemon in the background running that overwrites changed config
> files with default values to prevent clueless people from trashing
> their system.
>
> That daemon could be enforced as
On Thu,16.Jul.09, 17:30:00, Dirk wrote:
>
> I start to wonder how much words and effort the actual package
> maintainers would use to avoid turning a dependency back into a
> recommendation when the users already have such a mindset.
Do you volunteer on triaging bugs like:
,[ fictious bug re
On Qui, 16 Jul 2009, Alex Samad wrote:
I am all for convenience, but I am also for the right to choose, sounds
like HAL is not really needed for X, so it should be a recommends and
not a depends.
I've read in this thread that X can work without HAL, but is it a
run-time choice or a compile-ti
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 08:28:36PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Alex Samad [2009 Jul 16 19:40 -0500]:
> > I am all for convenience, but I am also for the right to choose, sounds
> > like HAL is not really needed for X, so it should be a recommends and
> > not a depends.
>
> I've played some wi
* Alex Samad [2009 Jul 16 19:40 -0500]:
> I am all for convenience, but I am also for the right to choose, sounds
> like HAL is not really needed for X, so it should be a recommends and
> not a depends.
I've played some with the new features of Xorg earlier this year,
xrandr. The HAL capability
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 06:16:51PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Alex Samad [2009 Jul 16 17:46 -0500]:
> > HAL has been a pain for me, because of my laptop and my need to attach
> > things to the laptop whilst its on, thus hal mount things all over the
> > place and does things the system wasn't
* Alex Samad [2009 Jul 16 17:46 -0500]:
> HAL has been a pain for me, because of my laptop and my need to attach
> things to the laptop whilst its on, thus hal mount things all over the
> place and does things the system wasn't doing before.
I'm puzzled by this and HAL does not mount *anything*
>
>
>
> Original Message
>From: noi...@gmx.net
>To: sou...@gmail.com
>Subject: Re: X11 without HAL: "DontZap" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't
>workanymore
>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:29:31 +0200
>
>>Jeff Soules wrote:
>>>> HA
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:02:19 +1000
Alex Samad wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:57:44PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:39:16 +1000
> > Alex Samad wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > > > This is just wrong; HAL *
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:02, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:57:44PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:39:16 +1000
>> Alex Samad wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > > > > This is just wrong; HAL *doesn't automount
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:57:44PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:39:16 +1000
> Alex Samad wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > > > > This is just wrong; HAL *doesn't automount anything* on its own. It
> > > > > merely passes infor
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:39:16 +1000
Alex Samad wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
...
> > > > This is just wrong; HAL *doesn't automount anything* on its own. It
> > > > merely passes information to a *volume manager*, which can be configured
> > > > to do whateve
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:20:56 +0200
> Dirk wrote:
>
> > Celejar wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0200
> > > Dirk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Avi Greenbury wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > >>> What is the 'best part of Linux' that HAL
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:35:29AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <4a5f532a.8000...@gmx.net>, Dirk wrote:
> >Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >> Dirk:
[snip]
> >You suggest that everyone compiles X11 him-/herself now?
>
> No, just those that refuse to accept the package maintainers' decisions.
Brian Nelson wrote:
Dirk writes:
Jochen Schulz wrote:
Nobody forces you to do anything. You can compile patch X.org yourself,
run oldstable, switch to another distribution or throw your computer out
of the window. Or you could just accept HAL and go on with your life.
You suggest that everyo
Dirk writes:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Nobody forces you to do anything. You can compile patch X.org yourself,
>> run oldstable, switch to another distribution or throw your computer out
>> of the window. Or you could just accept HAL and go on with your life.
>
> You suggest that everyone compile
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:20:56 +0200
Dirk wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0200
> > Dirk wrote:
> >
> >> Avi Greenbury wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >>> What is the 'best part of Linux' that HAL neglects?
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> The ability to mount devices myself, or not.
>
Celejar wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0200
Dirk wrote:
Avi Greenbury wrote:
...
What is the 'best part of Linux' that HAL neglects?
...
The ability to mount devices myself, or not.
This is just wrong; HAL *doesn't automount anything* on its own. It
merely passes information t
steef wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Jochen Schulz wrote:
Dirk:
Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
(pick one from this list:
http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linux).
Previously, you said no
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0200
Dirk wrote:
> Avi Greenbury wrote:
...
> > What is the 'best part of Linux' that HAL neglects?
...
> The ability to mount devices myself, or not.
This is just wrong; HAL *doesn't automount anything* on its own. It
merely passes information to a *volume man
Dirk wrote:
Jochen Schulz wrote:
Dirk:
Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
(pick one from this list:
http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linux).
Previously, you said not only HAL its
In <4a5f556b.8090...@gmx.net>, Dirk wrote:
>Jeff Soules wrote:
>>> HAL is not "technology moving forward".
>>>
>>> It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you want.
>>
>> I'm sorry, your argument is "HAL hates freedom?" Seriously? You
>> believe there is an entire team of ma
In <4a5f532a.8000...@gmx.net>, Dirk wrote:
>Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Dirk:
>>> Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
>>> Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
>>> (pick one from this list:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linu
Jeff Soules wrote:
HAL is not "technology moving forward".
It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you want.
I'm sorry, your argument is "HAL hates freedom?" Seriously? You
believe there is an entire team of malicious devs who've devoted their
weekends to oppressing you
Jochen Schulz wrote:
Dirk:
Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
(pick one from this list:
http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linux).
Previously, you said not only HAL itself is the pr
> HAL is not "technology moving forward".
>
> It is a project dedicated to taking away the right to do what you want.
I'm sorry, your argument is "HAL hates freedom?" Seriously? You
believe there is an entire team of malicious devs who've devoted their
weekends to oppressing your choice of mouse
Dirk wrote:
Jeff Soules wrote:
Is that enough of an answer or is there any HAL fanboy left who
want's to
battle choice?
I'm not a HAL fanboy. In fact, I couldn't care less. From the
descriptions, it sounds like HAL (like every other piece of software
ever written) solves some problems while
Dirk:
>
> Ok, let us assume I wouldn't be able to remove HAL from a installed
> Debian without breaking X11 permanently and I have a random problem
> (pick one from this list:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=HAL+problem+linux).
Previously, you said not only HAL itself is the problem, but th
Jeff Soules wrote:
Is that enough of an answer or is there any HAL fanboy left who want's to
battle choice?
I'm not a HAL fanboy. In fact, I couldn't care less. From the
descriptions, it sounds like HAL (like every other piece of software
ever written) solves some problems while potentially c
> Is that enough of an answer or is there any HAL fanboy left who want's to
> battle choice?
I'm not a HAL fanboy. In fact, I couldn't care less. From the
descriptions, it sounds like HAL (like every other piece of software
ever written) solves some problems while potentially creating others.
Su
Avi Greenbury wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Geeez... the problem is that it was promoted to a requirement for
running a Debian Desktop while there was no need for it in the first
place with alternatives like Ubuntu or Windows(!) at hand.
Another problem are the people who think they need to turn Linux i
Sjoerd writes:
> And, finally, you haven't answered the question on what's wrong with
> hal. I'm using it without problems, and even still feel in control when
> needed by altering the .fdi files in /usr/share/hal. So no, I don't see
> the problem, please explain.
Some of us simply don't need it.
Dirk wrote:
Geeez... the problem is that it was promoted to a requirement for
running a Debian Desktop while there was no need for it in the first
place with alternatives like Ubuntu or Windows(!) at hand.
Another problem are the people who think they need to turn Linux into
something like a
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
Dirk schreef:
You would have much more credibility in this thread if you provided
solid technical reasons why HAL is bad rather than stomping your feet
while saying "I don't like it!" Please provide a technical reason why
HAL is unacceptable.
HAL causes enough technical
Dirk schreef:
You would have much more credibility in this thread if you provided
solid technical reasons why HAL is bad rather than stomping your feet
while saying "I don't like it!" Please provide a technical reason why
HAL is unacceptable.
HAL causes enough technical problems and negative s
You would have much more credibility in this thread if you provided
solid technical reasons why HAL is bad rather than stomping your feet
while saying "I don't like it!" Please provide a technical reason why
HAL is unacceptable.
HAL causes enough technical problems and negative side-effects. Ju
* Dirk [2009 Jul 16 07:07 -0500]:
> Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >On Thursday 16 July 2009 12:50:22 Dirk wrote:
> >
> >>Why don't people, who like it, use the real Windows instead of turning
> >>Linux into it and forcing advanced users down to their level?
> >>
> >>
> >>Dirk
> >
> >What level are you
* Andrei Popescu [2009 Jul 16 06:05 -0500]:
> > does seem as though there is a strong sentiment against HAL from
> > several users. You might contact the Xorg developers and ask nicely
> > for them to remove the dependency.
>
> I don't think this is such a good idea. The Debian X Strike Force (
Thierry Chatelet wrote:
On Thursday 16 July 2009 12:50:22 Dirk wrote:
Why don't people, who like it, use the real Windows instead of turning
Linux into it and forcing advanced users down to their level?
Dirk
What level are you taking about? This will look quiet insulting to many people
not
On Thursday 16 July 2009 12:50:22 Dirk wrote:
> Why don't people, who like it, use the real Windows instead of turning
> Linux into it and forcing advanced users down to their level?
>
>
> Dirk
What level are you taking about? This will look quiet insulting to many people
not only using debian t
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed,15.Jul.09, 17:55:49, Nate Bargmann wrote:
I actually like HAL as it has relieved me of a great deal of tedium.
That said, I'm sure there are corner cases where it can be a pain.
http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide has some
explanation of why hal
On Wed,15.Jul.09, 17:55:49, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> I actually like HAL as it has relieved me of a great deal of tedium.
> That said, I'm sure there are corner cases where it can be a pain.
http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide has some
explanation of why hal is needed.
>
On 15 Jul 2009, Asumu Takikawa wrote:
> I had this same problem and using the following (in an .xsession in my case)
> solved the problem:
>
> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
>
> Cheers,
> Asumu Takikawa
>
I'm using this as well and it works. I have it in .xinitrc. The only
thing is t
Alex Samad:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:38:06PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean about mono. I don't think that I have
>> any mono stuff on my system, and IIUC, Debian won't install it unless
>
> isn't the new gnome package going to bring in mono as a default
Only
Alex Samad writes:
>> I don't understand what you mean about mono. I don't think that I have
>> any mono stuff on my system, and IIUC, Debian won't install it unless
>
> isn't the new gnome package going to bring in mono as a default
The "gnome" meta-package has "depends: tomboy | gnote", where
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:38:06PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:53:28 +1000
> Alex Samad wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 05:51:05PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> > > Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > >> Dirk:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >
> > > it's not just a package... it's an indicator for d
Rick Thomas wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote:
>
>> setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
>>
>
> This is good to know. How often does this have to be done? Can I do
> it once and have it survive past closing my X session? Past logging
> out? Past a reboot?
>
* Dirk [2009 Jul 15 17:41 -0500]:
> it's not just a package... it's an indicator for debian losing touch
> with it's main user base: people who dont want all that stuff Ubuntu
> offers, especially annoyingly, interfering junk like HAL...
I didn't know that was the focus. I thought the focus is a
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:53:28 +1000
Alex Samad wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 05:51:05PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> > Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >> Dirk:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > it's not just a package... it's an indicator for debian losing touch
> > with it's main user base: people who dont want all tha
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 05:51:05PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Dirk:
[snip]
>
> it's not just a package... it's an indicator for debian losing touch
> with it's main user base: people who dont want all that stuff Ubuntu
seems that way, with selinux, hal and mono. I loved de
On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote:
I had this same problem and using the following (in an .xsession in
my case)
solved the problem:
setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
Cheers,
Asumu Takikawa
This is good to know. How often does this have to be done? Can I do
it
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