On Thu Jul 15 12:42:45 2021 Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
>>> Joe wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
Back when we had TV advertisements
for beer, it was
Hi,
On 2021-07-14 11:29 a.m., Christian Groessler wrote:
> Here in Germany, near Munich, we have a beer brand (from Munich) which
> doesn't advertise but is the "standard beer" all around :-)
>
WoW That's pretty cool, a "standard beer". Everyone get used to the same
beer and you don't risk being
On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 09:55:50AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
[...]
> > If they didn't pay [for ads], companies would have stopped sinking vast
> > amounts
> > of effort and expense into them a century ago.
>
> You're giving (big) companies a
On Mi, 14 iul 21, 08:02:19, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > (...)
> >
> >> Back when we had TV advertisements
> >> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
> >
> > her
Jeremy Ardley [2021-07-14 12:52:10] wrote:
> On 14/7/21 12:09 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote:
>>> On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> BTW, for those who don't wan
On Wed 14 Jul 2021 at 12:53:00 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > May I suggest we get back on-topic.
> >
> > There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that w
On 7/14/21 5:02 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote:
> here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> you that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide whether
> they are rubbish or not) are the ones that are available virtua
On Tue Jul 13 16:50:38 2021 Michael Lange wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>> Back when we had TV advertisements
>> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
>
> here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure
> yo
On 2021-07-14 at 10:17, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> PS: Your reply's text was oddly "hidden" inside your signature (as
> defined by the old convention that "\n-- \n" separates the main body
> from the signature).
Looking back at the preceding mails, I suspect that what may have
happened is not that
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:53:00PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> For what it's worth - I had a check on IRC in debian-www
>
> The wiki isn't as tightly policed and is more of a free for all: if you see
> something that's wrong, you can change it. There's a creative tension between
> what shoul
Hi.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 08:00:20AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100
> Joe wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400
> > Celejar wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
> > > Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > No, they
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 02:59:27PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > May I suggest we get back on-topic.
>
> There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
> even get back to it with a compass.
>
> > Greg Wooledge (he who
On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:45:08 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
> > Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social
> > > network. Moreover, Debian
Hi,
i wrote:
> > Are you fishing for quarrel ?
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> This was a joke.
> Also, playing the victim is never a good way to go ;-)
Your second sentence could be understood that your answer is "Yes".
Greg Wooledge has noted that his recent tone was not well receive
Hi,
On 2021-07-14 3:44 a.m., Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say. Also apparently
>>> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk. Or maybe it's just
>>> when I stand up for myself, who knows.
>
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-
Hi,
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say. Also apparently
> > any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk. Or maybe it's just
> > when I stand up for myself, who knows.
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
> Are you in need to be nurtured ?
Are you
Hi,
On 2021-07-13 2:59 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote:
> I "disappeared" because I had nothing more to say. Also apparently
> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk. Or maybe it's just
> when I stand up for myself, who knows.
Are you in need to be nurtured ?
--
Polyna-Maude R.-Summersid
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:17:37 -0400
Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
> Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>
> >
> > No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social
> > network. Moreover, Debian is non-lucrative. Currently nobody can
> > get *power* from it.
>
On 14/7/21 12:09 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote:
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
other reasons
On Ma, 13 iul 21, 20:54:22, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
> > > other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:31:33 +0200
Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 16:09:50 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300
> >
> > Reco wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:09:32 +0200
Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 20:00:44 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200
> > Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> > > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300
>
Hi,
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:59:27 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> Also apparently
> any time I say anything, I'm perceived as a jerk.
be asssured, that is not the case.
Best regards
Michael
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Hi,
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:25:17 +0100
Joe wrote:
(...)
> Back when we had TV advertisements
> for beer, it was always the rubbish beers that got the publicity.
here (Germany) we still have those TV ads for beer, and I can assure you
that the advertised brands (its not up to me to decide wheth
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 03:54:22 PM Brian wrote:
> On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
> > > other reasons to avoid Github: my r
On 2021-07-13 20:47, Brian wrote:
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:59:27 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> May I suggest we get back on-topic.
There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
even get back to it with a compass.
Yo
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:31:33 +0200
Alexandre Garreau wrote:
>
> The mail you answer to sadly didn’t explain concretely what is the
> payement, and how you can make money from it. The answer is: selling
> personal data. Both what you output, what comes from you, and what
> is inputted to you
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 15:38:26 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
> > other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is to try and opt for the
> > underdog so as to foster
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:59:27 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > May I suggest we get back on-topic.
>
> There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
> even get back to it with a compass.
Your OP was important and inte
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:27:03 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
> other reasons to avoid Github: my rule is to try and opt for the
> underdog so as to foster competition.
+1
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 16:09:50 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300
>
> Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonabl
> We are in basic agreement. I'm not really a "developer" - I just host
> some relatively simple projects on Github. I agree that a deeper use of
> something like Github is something I'd have to carefully consider.
BTW, for those who don't want to run their own server, there are still
other reason
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 20:00:44 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200
> Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300
> > > Reco wrote:
> > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> May I suggest we get back on-topic.
There's a topic? I think we're so far from the topic that we can't
even get back to it with a compass.
> Greg Wooledge (he who has
> disappeared) could just sensitively edit the wiki page he has
> an int
On Tue 13 Jul 2021 at 14:00:44 -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> Hey, for that matter, Debian is not gratis, since by using it, we grant
> considerable power to the DDs, their committees, and the DPL!
That's stirring it even more!
May I suggest we get back on-topic. Greg Wooledge (he who has
disapp
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200
Alexandre Garreau wrote:
> Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300
> >
> > Reco wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > > > Working for f
Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit :
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300
>
> Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > > Working for free.
> > > >
> > > > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:27:03 -0400
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > We are in basic agreement. I'm not really a "developer" - I just host
> > some relatively simple projects on Github. I agree that a deeper use of
> > something like Github is something I'd have to carefully consider.
>
> BTW, for those
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 16:08:53 +0300
Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them
> > > regardless of whom is controlling them.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them
> > regardless of whom is controlling them.
>
> What do you mean by calling them non-gratis service
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>If you maintain a local copy of your code and just push it to Github
>for serving it publicly (which is what I do, and what I assume most
>developers do), you haven't lost control of your code - if / when the
>host does anything you don't li
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > Working for free.
> > >
> > > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and alike.
> >
> > Times have changed. Now Microsoft *loves* free work... don
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 12:00:34PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
[...]
> (Nevertheless, one doesn't need a worldwide git repo service to train
> an AI by examples of free software.
Read on GPT3. Even if you throw away the marketing-foo (of which there
is copious abundance), it's... scary.
Hi,
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Times have changed. Now Microsoft *loves* free work...
That's the problem with living after the future has already passed.
Even my enemies aren't what they used to be.
> done for them [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub_Copilot]
Ahhh. Some things don't change, t
Hi.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:22:48AM +0200, john doe wrote:
> On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote:
> > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them
> > regardless of whom is controlling them.
> >
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 11:22:48AM +0200, john doe wrote:
> On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote:
> >
> >Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
> >non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them
> >regardless of whom is controlling them.
> >
> >You need t
On 7/13/2021 10:54 AM, Reco wrote:
Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in -
non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from them
regardless of whom is controlling them.
You need to be in control of your code - *you* host it. Always was,
always is. It's no
Hi.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 09:20:12AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Working for free.
> >
> > Yes. This aspect was always annoying to Microsoft and alike.
>
> Times have changed. Now Microsoft *loves* free work... done for
> them [1].
Nothing had changed in this regard. Every so
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