Re: Woody on 486 problem

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] I have a 171 MB drive on a shelf set up as a rescue system I can plug in if needed (since I can't boot from a CD or USB) that has a strong text-only system. [snip] You almost surely can boot from a floppy disc. I recommend you to get SBM (Smart Boot Manager

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 02:01:56AM +0100, Mirko Scurk wrote: > > I'm trying to install woody on Digital Venturis 466 486DX66, 540MB HDD, > 20MB RAM, CD-ROM, S3 Turbo VGA 1MB and EtherWorks III ISA network adapter. > > The first stage of install went fine but after installing lilo and > rebooting

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-03-04 15:04:57, schrieb pobox: > On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:28:45AM +0100, Peter Teunissen wrote: > > Ah, memories. I wrote my first basic program on a sinclair zx81 :-) > > It played russian roulette, sort of graphical ;-) > > LOL! > Graphics on ZX81! I remember that :) I had the HRG M

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:28:45AM +0100, Peter Teunissen wrote: > Ah, memories. I wrote my first basic program on a sinclair zx81 :-) > It played russian roulette, sort of graphical ;-) LOL! Graphics on ZX81! I remember that :) Juraj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a sub

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Juraj writes: > Z88 was computer made by Sir Clive Sinclair with Z8000 CPU. The Z88 was a portable Z80 based computer designed by Sinclair and marketed as the Cambridge Z88. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL P

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On 3-mrt-2007, at 22:16, pobox wrote: On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:29:08PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-22 09:25:14, schrieb Mike McCarty: The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z8000. From my mind (maybe wrong): Z88 was computer made by Sir Clive Sinclair with Z8000 CPU.

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:29:08PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-22 09:25:14, schrieb Mike McCarty: > The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z8000. >From my mind (maybe wrong): Z88 was computer made by Sir Clive Sinclair with Z8000 CPU. I do sometimes find it hard to distinguis

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: > The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z8000. Not true. The Z80 was an 8-bitter, upward-compatible with the 8080. The Z8000 was a 16-bitter, with a completely different architecture and instruction set. > Z80 => 1983 Z80 => 1976 Z8000 => 1979 -- John Hasler

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-22 09:25:14, schrieb Mike McCarty: Sinclair ZX81 => Zylog Z80/Z8000 The Zilog Z80 is an 8 bit machine, the Z8000 is a 16 bit machine. The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z8000. Hmm? The Z8000 was a machine I programmed for 16 years or so, and

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Hey Mike, Am 2007-02-20 14:04:27, schrieb Mike McCarty: Don't listen to him. He thinks he's the only Real Geek. I've written boot firmware for several new boards when I worked in telecomm, and he doesn't think I'm a Real Geek. HOW easy is it today to write VERY small

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/02/07 10:29, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-22 09:25:14, schrieb Mike McCarty: >>> Sinclair ZX81 => Zylog Z80/Z8000 >> The Zilog Z80 is an 8 bit machine, the Z8000 is a 16 bit machine. > > The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z800

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-22 09:30:08, schrieb Mike McCarty: > This sort of thing is already happening. Many Linux distros > claim to "keep old hardware alive", but won't run on anything > less than a Pentium with at least 32MB of RAM. I consider all Computers from 486/75 to P1/266 with 32 to 128 MByte and usefu

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-21 13:18:54, schrieb Ron Johnson: > I'm stunned that "they" still make 32MB DRAM modules. It was one of the first Modules produced, but while searchin the Net I have found on eBay only 64 MByte for 3 years or such. > Why all that horsepower to track radar signals? Analysis. My progra

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-22 09:31:43, schrieb Mike McCarty: > I don't consider anything like a Pentium to be a "small" or "old" > machine. In my life, Pentium is still premium. I have 9 HP Vectry XA5/200MMT with each of 192 to 384 MByte of memory. All of them are using 8-32 GByte HDD's and three of them 3w65xx

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-22 09:25:14, schrieb Mike McCarty: > > Sinclair ZX81 => Zylog Z80/Z8000 > > The Zilog Z80 is an 8 bit machine, the Z8000 is a 16 bit machine. The Z80 was the sales name but intern it was Z8000. The 16 bit CPU was the: > >and then Later the Zylog Z8400 (16 bit) ...long time ago. Z80

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Hey Mike, Am 2007-02-20 14:04:27, schrieb Mike McCarty: > Don't listen to him. He thinks he's the only Real Geek. I've > written boot firmware for several new boards when I worked in > telecomm, and he doesn't think I'm a Real Geek. HOW easy is it today to write VERY small BIOS code to recognize

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-20 10:34:03, schrieb Ron Johnson: > On 02/20/07 10:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass disks > > is trivial to you? ;o) > > If you can't write your own BIOS, you aren't a Real Geek. What about Linux-BIOS? And of all, the BIOS

Re: [OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

Am 2007-02-21 13:16:04, schrieb Joshua J. Kugler: > To clarify: couldn't find any *for sale* online. > > I can find plenty of pages talking about them, just none for sale. Since the official sale is not before March 2007? :-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadminis

Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

Am 2007-02-21 13:13:33, schrieb Ron Johnson: > Where from? What's the model number? From my IBM Media-Server seller in Offenburg/Germany. The HDD'S are Deskstar 7K1000 in SATA. On Tuesday I have goten an E-Mail and maybe I get the Disks next week. Officialy they are sold at the end of March in

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-17 21:36:42, schrieb Mirko Scurk: > It's shame that there is not a "normal" (non e-bay) supply channel for > parts for some old architectures. Every other equipment manufacturers have > obligations to continue to produce spare parts for years after some > product have ended. Yesterday, b

Re: Woody on 486 problem

> Mike McCarty writes: > > 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers 16 bit data bus On 22.02.07 10:43, John Hasler wrote: > But with a bizarre segmentation scheme and a 20 bit address bus able to > address 1MB. similar to PAE on newer pentiums -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://w

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 22:35, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/22/07 10:43, John Hasler wrote: >> >>> Mike McCarty writes: >>> 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers >>> >>> But with a biz

Re: Woody on 486 problem

John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: But back in the day, with the limited silicon budget, segmentation is a great way for a 16 bit system (that wants to maintain upward compatibility with the 8080/8085) to address more than 64KB. There was no upward compatibility between the 8080 and the

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 10:43, John Hasler wrote: Mike McCarty writes: 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers But with a bizarre segmentation scheme and a 20 bit address bus able to address 1MB. But back in the day, with the limited sil

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 12:46:52PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > But back in the day, with the limited silicon budget, segmentation is a > > great way for a 16 bit system (that wants to maintain upward > > compatibility with the 8080/8085) to address more than 64KB. > > There

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Ron Johnson writes: > But back in the day, with the limited silicon budget, segmentation is a > great way for a 16 bit system (that wants to maintain upward > compatibility with the 8080/8085) to address more than 64KB. There was no upward compatibility between the 8080 and the 8086. -- John Hasl

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 09:30, Mike McCarty wrote: > Michelle Konzack wrote: >> Am 2007-02-17 22:23:25, schrieb Chris Bannister: >> >>> And I suppose when Vista has been out for a while (people wont have any >>> choice when they buy a new machine, unless they buy

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/22/07 10:43, John Hasler wrote: > Mike McCarty writes: >> 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers > > But with a bizarre segmentation scheme and a 20 bit address bus able to > address 1MB. But back in the day, with the limited silicon budget, segm

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Mike McCarty writes: > 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers But with a bizarre segmentation scheme and a 20 bit address bus able to address 1MB. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Matthias Dryba wrote: Am Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007 17:46 schrieb Michelle Konzack: Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson: Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running I have a P I (100mhz) with 64MB ram acting as a backupserver (tape), a P II (333mhz) with

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-17 22:23:25, schrieb Chris Bannister: And I suppose when Vista has been out for a while (people wont have any choice when they buy a new machine, unless they buy one without an OS) 256M or even 512M will be considered old and we'll see questions like "Will KDE

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-15 21:19:26, schrieb Mike McCarty: [snip] How do you have coded this on a 8085? Was it not a 8080/8086 and they are 8 Bit 8080 is 8 bit 8085 is 8 bit 8086 is 16 bit bus, 16 bit registers 8087 is numeric processor 8088 is 8 bit bus, 16 bit registers, same

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-15 21:19:26, schrieb Mike McCarty: Ron Johnson wrote: So, what GUI do you use? Eh? With MSDOS? No gooey stuff in there! Maybe SEAL? But there are several other DOS-Desktops including my own one which has/had a scientific background and was coded using D

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-02-16 09:57:22, schrieb Ron Johnson: I wrote... I have 16MB of RAM because that's the minimum configuration for that machine when I bought it. And, actually, I have used some of the extended RAM on occasion, with a disassembler (Sourcer) I used to run. I haven'

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Celejar wrote: >> Some people are still making money utilizing old pc-s. Some car testing >> appliances are equipped with only serial connector which many current >> notebooks are missing. > > They make serial to USB converter cables / chips. There's apparently > some linux support; see > linux-s

Re: [OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 16:19 -0500, Larry Irwin wrote: > > On 02/21/07 14:07, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:13, Ron Johnson wrote: > Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte > Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server. > >>> Wher

Re: [OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 12:19, Larry Irwin wrote: > > On 02/21/07 14:07, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:13, Ron Johnson wrote: > Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte > Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server. > >>> >

Re: [OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

On 02/21/07 14:07, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:13, Ron Johnson wrote: Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server. Where from? What's the model number? http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/me

Re: [OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 14:07, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: > On Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:13, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte >>> Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server. >> Where from? What's the mod

[OT] Re: 1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 10:13, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Note: Last week I have ordered four of the first 1 TByte > > Hitachi HardDisks for my 3w9500 as Backup-Server. > > Where from? What's the model number? http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.8027a91c954924ae4bda9f30eac4f

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 10:46, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson: >>> Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running >> C600 with only 16MB??? > > I have an Athlon XP2400+ running with a PC2700/333 32 M

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 04:21:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/16/07 15:55, Mike McCarty wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: > >> > > Why not install Linux and dosemu? > >>> > >>> On a machine

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 10:46, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-15 21:19:26, schrieb Mike McCarty: >> Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > How do you have coded this on a 8085? > Was it not a 8080/8086 and they are 8 Bit No. 8080/8085 have 8-bit registers. 8088/8086

1TB drives (was Re: Woody on 486 problem)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/21/07 10:46, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-16 21:47:05, schrieb Ron Johnson: >>> ..you wanna google "2GB limit" "8.4GB limit", "137GB limit", those >>> old 386 bioses covered those wee old disks waaay back then. >> I remember the 8.4GB

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:46:26PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2007-02-16 09:57:22, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > > I have 16MB of RAM because that's the minimum configuration > > > for that machine when I bought it. And, actually, I have > > > used some of the extended RAM on occasion, with a d

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007 17:46 schrieb Michelle Konzack: > Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running > > I have a P I (100mhz) with 64MB ram acting as a backupserver (tape), a P II (333mhz) with 256MB as a proxy,

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-17 11:51:56, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running > > C600 with only 16MB??? I have an Athlon XP2400+ running with a PC2700/333 32 MByte Module All it must do is to track Radar-Signals and this from TDDOS32 running from a 16

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-17 22:23:25, schrieb Chris Bannister: > And I suppose when Vista has been out for a while (people wont have any > choice when they buy a new machine, unless they buy one without an OS) > 256M or even 512M will be considered old and we'll see questions like > "Will KDE run in 512M?" ROTF

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-16 21:47:05, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > ..you wanna google "2GB limit" "8.4GB limit", "137GB limit", those > > old 386 bioses covered those wee old disks waaay back then. > > I remember the 8.4GB & 137GB limits but not the 2GB limit. Must > have been too poor... Maybe 540 MByte Limit

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-16 16:22:18, schrieb Mike McCarty: > Adding a few hundred megabytes of disc is not appealing to me, > especially since it can't be done. The smallest disc these > days is around 100 Gig. I wonder why it won't run on a 386? Even if Linux support ist, the HDD-Controlers on 386 can handel

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-16 09:57:22, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > I have 16MB of RAM because that's the minimum configuration > > for that machine when I bought it. And, actually, I have > > used some of the extended RAM on occasion, with a disassembler > > (Sourcer) I used to run. I haven't run that in a long time

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-15 21:19:26, schrieb Mike McCarty: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >So, what GUI do you use? > > Eh? With MSDOS? No gooey stuff in there! Maybe SEAL? But there are several other DOS-Desktops including my own one which has/had a scientific background and was coded using DJGPP. > >>If you want t

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Am 2007-02-15 20:14:07, schrieb John Hasler: > Ron Johnson writes: > > Remember when Win95 ran well with 16MB RAM? > > Never ran Win95, but I remember when System III ran great in 1MB (and ran > ok in 256KB). Hmmm I remember in Solaris 2 running with 16 MByte I think Do not know anymore but was

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:38:24AM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 20.02.07 23:40, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Yes. But in some cases (of motherboards) you'll have to turn off that disk > in the BIOS setup. I once had a BIOS that insisted on autodetecting each of my IDE drives before it

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:36:42 +0100 (CET) "Mirko Scurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Some people are still making money utilizing old pc-s. Some car testing > appliances are equipped with only serial connector which many current > notebooks are missing. They make serial to USB converter ca

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On 20.02.07 23:40, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:52:24 -0600 > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass > > > disks is trivial to you? > > > > Linux doesn't use the BIOS. You just ne

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:52:24 -0600 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass > > disks is trivial to you? > > Linux doesn't use the BIOS. You just need something the BIOS > supports for a boot disk. Once t

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:34:03AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/20/07 10:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0800, Elvis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, What does it mean by "challenging hacks"? ..write new bios code for old 3

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:34:03AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/20/07 10:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0800, Elvis wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> What does it mean by "challenging hacks"? > > > > ..write new bios code for old 386

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Tuesday 20 February 2007 13:01, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 10:34:03AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 02/20/07 10:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0800, Elvis wrote in message > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> What d

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Arnt Karlsen writes: > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass disks > is trivial to you? Linux doesn't use the BIOS. You just need something the BIOS supports for a boot disk. Once the kernel is up it will handle your large disk fine. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0800, Elvis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > What does it mean by "challenging hacks"? ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass disks is trivial to you? ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...w

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/07 10:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:50:16 +0800, Elvis wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi, >> >> What does it mean by "challenging hacks"? > > ..write new bios code for old 386 irons to use todays new big ass

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:48:36 -0600, Mike wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > >>>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>>Hash: SHA1 > >>> > >>>On

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Hi, What does it mean by "challenging hacks"? Elvis Internet Marketing Watch On 2/20/07, Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:48:36 -0600, Mike wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mi

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/07 21:08, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/19/07 18:48, Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> >>> You didn't respond to what I wrote. I didn't allude to a >>> BIOS limit. I alluded t

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/07 18:48, Mike McCarty wrote: You didn't respond to what I wrote. I didn't allude to a BIOS limit. I alluded to what is available today. One cannot get a small disc anymore. Ebay to the rescue. (1) I wouldn't trust

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/19/07 18:48, Mike McCarty wrote: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] >> ..you wanna google "2G

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: especially since it can't be done. The smallest disc these days is around 100 Gig. I

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Hans du Plooy wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 23:19 +, Hans du Plooy wrote: >> I saw on the net a little linux computer that consists pretty much of a >> network card and a serial port. www.picolinux.com I think. I thought > > Wrong url, here's the correct one: > > http://www.picotux.com/ > >

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 23:19 +, Hans du Plooy wrote: > I saw on the net a little linux computer that consists pretty much of a > network card and a serial port. www.picolinux.com I think. I thought Wrong url, here's the correct one: http://www.picotux.com/ Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 14:54 +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running > Sarge. It works fine. The computer was heading to the dump and I > thought I could rescue it and put it to some use. It does not have a > GUI, and doesn't need one. I c

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:05:57 +0100, Joe wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm nt so sure that sarge installer will work with 16MB of RAM. I > > thought that 32MB is minimum. > > Perhaps I am mistaken. It is possible that the server in question > has 64 MB of RAM. ..the current sar

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 21:36 +0100, Mirko Scurk wrote: > It's shame that there is not a "normal" (non e-bay) supply channel for > parts for some old architectures. Every other equipment manufacturers have > obligations to continue to produce spare parts for years after some > product have ended. Ye

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/17/07 14:36, Mirko Scurk wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: [snip] > Last year one of my partners changed PI 75MHz server running > oracle 5 on sco unix (with 5-7 terminals) to win-xeon-server with > pc clients and vb applications and now is regretting. No

Re: Woody on 486 problem

Joe Hart wrote: > One thing that I dislike about computers over the years is that the hardware changes so rapidly. I have a computer with a dead motherboard that has 768MB of RAM on it that I'm pretty sure is good, but I have no other computer that uses those types of DIMMs. I can probably pick o

Re: Woody on 486 problem

On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 07:05:57PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > > One thing that I dislike about computers over the years is that the > hardware changes so rapidly. I have a computer with a dead motherboard > that has 768MB of RAM on it that I'm pretty sure is good, but I have no > other computer tha

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/17/07 01:59, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:47:05 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 02/16/07 21:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mirko Scurk wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: >> Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running >> Sarge. It works fine. The computer was heading to the dump and I >> thought I could rescue it and put it to some use. It does not have

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/17/07 07:54, Joe Hart wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 07:50:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > Interesting that you mention that. Here, it's already almost impossible > to buy a machine that doesn't come with Vist

Re: Woody on 486 problem

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/17/07 08:30, Bill Smith wrote: > Mirko Scurk wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 02/15/07 19:31, Mike McCarty wrote: Mirko Scurk wrote: >>> [snip] [snip] >>> Remember when OS/2 ran *g

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Joe Hart wrote: > Still, I have a old Celeron 600mhz with 16MB acting as a server running > Sarge. It works fine. The computer was heading to the dump and I > thought I could rescue it and put it to some use. It does not have a > GUI, and doesn't need one. > > If Sarge will run on that, I'm sur

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Mirko Scurk wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/07 19:31, Mike McCarty wrote: Mirko Scurk wrote: [snip] Add some RAM, getting at least 32MB and preferable 64MB. I have successfully run Knoppix (Debian based) on a machine with 32MB, but it isn't ni

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Chris writes: > And I suppose when Vista has been out for a while (people wont have any > choice when they buy a new machine, unless they buy one without an OS) > 256M or even 512M will be considered old and we'll see questions like > "Will KDE run in 512M?" And the answer will be "Yes, but it wil

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 07:50:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> I was just *waiting* for someone to open the door and let us >> greybeards play "remember when"!!! >> >> Remember when Win95 ran well with 16MB RAM? (Shame on you

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On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 07:50:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > I was just *waiting* for someone to open the door and let us > greybeards play "remember when"!!! > > Remember when Win95 ran well with 16MB RAM? (Shame on you!!) > > Remember when OS/2 ran *great* with 16MB RAM? > > Remember when D

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:47:05 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/16/07 21:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> > >>> O

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 21:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> >>> On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: >>> especially since it can't be done. The smallest

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:52:29 -0600, Mike wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: > > > > > especially since it can't be done. The smallest disc these > > > days is around 100 G

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On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 18:39 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [...] > > Warp 3.0 was a really great desktop OS. Yes, it was. I'll completely agree with this. As recently as 2002, I still used OS/2 to operate an IBM 3494 tape robot, with 4 additional storage cabinets, with 4 3490K tape drives in cabinet 1

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 18:13, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 16:21 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/16/07 15:55, Mike McCarty wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty

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On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 16:21 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/16/07 15:55, Mike McCarty wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: > >> > > Why not install Linux and dosemu? > >>> > >>> On a machine with 1

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Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 16:52, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] Adding a few hundred megabytes of disc is not appealing to me, You really aren't a geek, are you? I

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 17:14, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> You really aren't a geek, are you? > > I forgot to mention another use for that machine: > I read the IR pulses from remote controls and figure out > the protocols they use. For that, I

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 16:52, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: >>> Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] >>> >>> Adding a few hundred megabytes of disc is not appealing to me, >> >>

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Ron Johnson wrote: You really aren't a geek, are you? I forgot to mention another use for that machine: I read the IR pulses from remote controls and figure out the protocols they use. For that, I need microsecond level timing resolution, which I can get with MSDOS, but I doubt that Linux can

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 16:43, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/16/07 15:55, Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: >> Why

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Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: DSL and Slackware aren't that large, are they? Especially with a 2.4 kernel. [

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 16:22, Mike McCarty wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: >> >> >> DSL and Slackware aren't that large, are they? Especially with a >> 2.4 kernel. > >

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Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/07 15:55, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/07 14:45, Mike McCarty wrote: Why not install Linux and dosemu? On a machine with 16MB? It fills a need I have as is. It would let you run multiple DOS s

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