Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:29:09 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/10/2009 07:58 PM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> Original Message >>> From: m...@allums.com >>> To: ron.l.john...@cox.net >>> Subject: Re: Which programming L

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:31 +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > HI, > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > use that language instead of the other. > > In many situations we can use anyone,

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 10:21 PM, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/10/2009 07:58 PM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: m...@allums.com To: ron.l.john...@cox.net Subject: Re: Which programming Language Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:26 -0600 [snip] The Motorola 68000

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/10/2009 07:58 PM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: m...@allums.com To: ron.l.john...@cox.net Subject: Re: Which programming Language Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:26 -0600 [snip] The Motorola 68000 series was allegedly designed partly with C

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Jack Schneider
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:42:15 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/10/2009 04:55 PM, Jack Schneider wrote: > [snip] > > > > Due to Obama's intent to automate medical records, do you think > > that it > > I don't think his ultimate purpose is hackable medical records, but > that's another story... >

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 07:58 PM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: m...@allums.com To: ron.l.john...@cox.net Subject: Re: Which programming Language Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:26 -0600 [snip] The Motorola 68000 series was allegedly designed partly with C in mind. I was told

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread owens
> > > > Original Message >From: m...@allums.com >To: ron.l.john...@cox.net >Subject: Re: Which programming Language >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:32:26 -0600 > >>Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>>> Readability and maintainabili

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 04:55 PM, Jack Schneider wrote: [snip] Due to Obama's intent to automate medical records, do you think that it I don't think his ultimate purpose is hackable medical records, but that's another story... may be helpful to get out the old MUMPS(M) docs? Never got it's place in

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 04:55 PM, Jack Schneider wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:45:49 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/10/2009 12:32 PM, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Readability and maintainability of "assembly" language. Yep. The (CISC) VAX instruction set was designed p

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Jack Schneider
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:45:49 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/10/2009 12:32 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >>> Readability and maintainability of "assembly" > >>> language. > >> > >> Yep. The (CISC) VAX instruction set was designed partly with > >> asse

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:24:32 -0700 Paul E Condon wrote: > On 2009-02-10_10:12:00, John Hasler wrote: > > owens writes: > > > For some Engineers (particularly Electrical) that need to know how the > > > CPU functions, Assembler is essential. > > > > Programmers need to know how cpus work and so s

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 01:24 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: [snip] Assembly language as a part of pedagogy is, to me, not very useful. I think C, in an early version, with fewer whistles and bells, can be used as an effective teaching device. It is very close to what the hardware is actually doing. But that'

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-02-10_10:12:00, John Hasler wrote: > owens writes: > > For some Engineers (particularly Electrical) that need to know how the > > CPU functions, Assembler is essential. > > Programmers need to know how cpus work and so should learn an assembly > language first. MIXAL will do. > -- > John

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/10/2009 12:32 PM, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Readability and maintainability of "assembly" language. Yep. The (CISC) VAX instruction set was designed partly with assembly programmers in mind (and also to map closely to FORTRAN and COBOL instructions),

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: Readability and maintainability of "assembly" language. Yep. The (CISC) VAX instruction set was designed partly with assembly programmers in mind (and also to map closely to FORTRAN and COBOL instructions), and the (macro, natch) assembler is designed

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Ron Johnson
What ever mail client you are using is mangling threading and "reply levels". On 02/10/2009 09:38 AM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: Original Message From: ron.l.john...@cox.net To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which programming Language Date: Mon, 09 Feb 200

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread John Hasler
owens writes: > For some Engineers (particularly Electrical) that need to know how the > CPU functions, Assembler is essential. Programmers need to know how cpus work and so should learn an assembly language first. MIXAL will do. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread owens
> > > > Original Message >From: dburr...@debian.org >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Which programming Language >Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:19:59 -0800 > >> I think one important thing is to learn more than one language. >There >>a

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread owens
> > > > Original Message >From: ron.l.john...@cox.net >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Which programming Language >Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:33:14 -0600 > >>On 02/09/2009 09:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 09,

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-10 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:19:59 -0800 Daniel Burrows wrote: > I think one important thing is to learn more than one language. There > are a couple reasons for this, but if I had to give you just one, here > is what it would be: > From experience, after the third or so language it's easy to pick

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
I think one important thing is to learn more than one language. There are a couple reasons for this, but if I had to give you just one, here is what it would be: In most languages I know, there are certain programming techniques that are considered "difficult", "advanced" or "black magic". T

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:07:12PM -0500, Napoleon wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:17:33PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> > >>Plus, it's not like Ada compilers can't have extensions. > > > >If an Ada compiler wants to have an extension and still pass the te

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 09:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 08:05:49PM EST, Micha Feigin wrote: [..] The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility and power of assembly language with the readability and maintainablity of assembly language. Funniest quote in a

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Napoleon
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:17:33PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Plus, it's not like Ada compilers can't have extensions. If an Ada compiler wants to have an extension and still pass the test as a certified Ada compiler, it has to do extenstions within the frame

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Chris Jones
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 08:05:49PM EST, Micha Feigin wrote: [..] > The C Programming Language - A language which combines the flexibility and > power of assembly language with the readability and maintainablity of > assembly language. Funniest quote in a long time .. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 07:05 PM, Micha Feigin wrote: I was looking for a specific quote and ended up finding this page which has some relevant ones for most of this thread. Took out some of the better ones http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Programming http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesProgramming.html On M

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Micha Feigin
I was looking for a specific quote and ended up finding this page which has some relevant ones for most of this thread. Took out some of the better ones http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Programming http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesProgramming.html On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:27:39 -0600 Ron Johnson wr

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/09/2009 05:02 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:57:42PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Just for the record, Fortran is very much alive and kicking. It's actually a wonderful language for mathematical work and HPC. It's just no longer a hype word. And I'm mostly talking a

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 11:57:42PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > Just for the record, Fortran is very much alive and kicking. It's actually a > wonderful language for mathematical work and HPC. It's just no longer a hype > word. And I'm mostly talking about fortran 90/95. Fortran 77 is a bit archa

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:19:01 -0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:00:54PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:04:42 Martin wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > > And C standard is one

RE: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Stackpole, Chris
> From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:dtu...@vianet.ca] > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: Which programming Language > [snip] > I really suggest that the OP read Understanding Programming Languages by > M. Ben-Ari. It is freely available on the internet

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:00:54PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:04:42 Martin wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > And C standard is one that leaves many features implementation > > defined, unspecified or un

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:17:33PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:14:20 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Sure, C has ANSI (ISO) standards, but every compiler (including gcc) has > > extensions to it that one almost has to use to get things done. > > I disagree that

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-09 Thread Nuno Magalhães
> Standards can't cover every use case, and the C/C++ ones don't really cover > enough. They're a work in progress. The STL is already included in the standard and most likely the Boost libraries will be part of C++0x. Nuno Magalhães -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:14:20 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Sure, C has ANSI (ISO) standards, but every compiler (including gcc) has > extensions to it that one almost has to use to get things done. I disagree that you *have* to use compiler extensions. It takes discipline, but it's possible t

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:04:42 Martin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Yay! for standards. It's one of the reasons I recommend C, which > > not only has a backing standard, but also standardized bindings to > > OS level interfaces. I wish t

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread John Hasler
Martin writes: > Hehe... You want to change (edit) the standard? Perhaps he wants to quote portions of it in another document, or perhaps he wants to use it as a template for writing a different standard. What's the harm, as long as he can't call his derivative the official standard (and he can't

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Martin
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Yay! for standards. It's one of the reasons I recommend C, which > not only has a backing standard, but also standardized bindings to > OS level interfaces. I wish the standard was freely available http://open-std.org/jtc

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 11:13:22AM -0500, Jeff Soules wrote: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > In 10 years, if you want to change the program, you need to change the > source and recompile, just like with C. The issue is just that the > language is still changing, so t

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Well, to be fair, who is really to say the compiler will go missing? > I've never heard of a popular language's compiler/interpretor going > missing, especially considering that every Linux distribution mirrors > it. > > I bet tha

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Jochen Schulz
Andrew Malcolmson: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kevin wrote: > ... >> Python is object oriented and as such is useful if you specifically want to >> learn nice, clean object oriented language. However its not a good start if >> you want to then move to another language. > > Why would that be

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Jeff Soules
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Someone has a python compiler (*.py to an executable)? Yes, I know that > python *.py modules get "compiled" into *.pyc byte-code but that still > has to go through the python interpreter. Also, what happens in 10 > years when I want to

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Andrew Malcolmson
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kevin wrote: ... > Python is object oriented and as such is useful if you specifically want to > learn nice, clean object oriented language. However its not a good start if > you want to then move to another language. Why would that be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:13:13AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:56:48AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:20:30PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 200

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Kevin
Micha Feigin wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:31 +0100 Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we ca

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:29:40PM -0500, Napoleon wrote: > For learning a first language, I would highly recommend PASCAL. It puts > you in a straight jacket - but it also forces you to learn good > programming techniques. For OO programming, SmallTalk or Java. If you like Pascal as a learning

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:56:48AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:20:30PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 06, 200

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:17:21AM -0500, Daryl Styrk wrote: > How about including recommended reading material along with language > recommendations and opinions? I did for Ada, and gave the web sites. There's also a good Ada section on wikipedia (and a wikibook). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:27:44 -0500 Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:18:16 +0200 > Micha Feigin wrote: > > ... > > > be written using these (same goes for python BTW). Take for example > > wicd-client and tomboy. Using 15mb real and 215mb shared for wicd-client > > (python) may be borderli

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 00:17:21 Daryl Styrk wrote: > How about including recommended reading material along with language > recommendations and opinions? I'm bad at this. I usually grab syntax+API documentation of the web (or a language standard, if I can find it) and go from there. -- Boyd

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Daryl Styrk
How about including recommended reading material along with language recommendations and opinions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:20:30PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 06:25:31PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > > > > I've done a

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Saturday 07 February 2009 19:20:30 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > This is why I'm transitioning to Ada. > Ada was written as a standard long > before the first compiler was done, then the compilers had to meet the > standard. Ada programs are totally portable from one machine to another > (unless, o

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:18:16 +0200 Micha Feigin wrote: ... > be written using these (same goes for python BTW). Take for example > wicd-client > and tomboy. Using 15mb real and 215mb shared for wicd-client (python) may be > borderline but 32mb/303mb for tomboy (c#) is a bit extreme. Your shared

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 06:25:31PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > > I've done a lot in Python. I have a lot of python programs. The new > > version of py

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Michael Madden
Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. thanks a lot bela __

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 06:25:31PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > > HI, > > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > > us

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 06:25:31PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > HI, > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > use that language instead of the other. > > In many situations we can use any

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:45:03 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2009 16:46:13 Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > The fact that it was developed by MS kinda creeps be but it has been > > standardized... > > I understand the distrust of MS, but C# is actually a pretty nice langua

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-07 Thread frank
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 11:44 -0600, Michael Shuler wrote: > On 02/06/2009 11:25 AM, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > > which is better. > > Similar to: > > what is the best ice cream flavor? Hagen Dazs - Pralines & Cream > what is the best car? Audi TT 3.2 (The new one) frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Mark Allums
Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. thanks a lot bela __

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Sam Leon
Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. thanks a lot bela __

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Napoleon
Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. thanks a lot bela __

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 06 February 2009 16:46:13 Nuno Magalhães wrote: > The fact that it was developed by MS kinda creeps be but it has been > standardized... I understand the distrust of MS, but C# is actually a pretty nice language, at least on par with Java. > Is it "backward-compatible" with C++? No.

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 06 February 2009 11:25:31 Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > use that language instead of the other. > > In many situations we can use anyone, but whic

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread owens
> > > > Original Message >From: javu...@gmail.com >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Which programming Language >Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:47:02 +0100 > >>Jeff Soules escribió: >>>> So start with Python or Basic (search for G

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread jatos . software
developers who can slowly amongst other things good habit, i don't see any first time dev starting with good habits without assistance. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Dave Sherohman Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:52:35 To: Subject: Re: Which progra

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:49:41PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:10:40 +0200 > "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > > Don't include Perl here, it has much different concepts than C/C++/Java. Perl is a multi-paradigm language. It can be written in a very C-like fashion if you so c

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 05:52:06PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > I actually consider PHP to be a good starting point for programming; > it's easy to use, and easy to build a GUI around (HTML is exponentially > easier than GTK/Qt/Tk), teaches functional programming, and has C-styled > syntax. Unfo

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Robert Baron
For what it is worth: I would start by learning C. Basically, C++, java, php, perl, python all share enough similarities that they are rather easy to pick up (Yes I know php, perl and python have less in common which is why I put them later in the list). Don't worry about if a language has stron

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Mike Bird
On Fri February 6 2009 14:52:06 Michael Pobega wrote: > I actually consider PHP to be a good starting point for programming; > it's easy to use, and easy to build a GUI around (HTML is exponentially > easier than GTK/Qt/Tk), teaches functional programming, and has C-styled > syntax. PHP is perhaps

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Michael Pobega
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 10:39:58PM +, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote: > On 06/02/09 21:40, jatos.softw...@gmail.com wrote: >> I have to say, if you want to get into programming seriously DO NOT >> start with Python or BASIC. Why? Because their syntax is very >> different to the languages (such as C)

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Nuno Magalhães
I started with Pascal, then C, then C++, then Java. I'd go for C++ 1st though. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote: > C# may be a good alternative. It's similar in many ways to C++, Java, Object > Pascal (Delphi), rather strict, and quite portable. The fact that it was dev

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Michal R. Hoffmann
On 06/02/09 21:40, jatos.softw...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say, if you want to get into programming seriously DO NOT start with Python or BASIC. Why? Because their syntax is very different to the languages (such as C) used for more mainstream purposes. If start with Python or BASIC your goin

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread jatos . software
ssage- From: Micha Feigin Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:47:49 To: Subject: Re: Which programming Language On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:31 +0100 Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > HI, > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:10:40 +0200 "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote: > Jeff Soules wrote: > >> So start with Python or Basic (search for Gambas IDE). > > > > I hear that Python is an excellent learning language. However, I > > think that Basic might be less useful for this, simply because it's > > v

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:14:45 +0100 Javier wrote: > Abdelkader Belahcene escribiף: > > HI, > > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > > use that language instead of the other. > > > > In many

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:31 +0100 Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > HI, > There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, > Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances > use that language instead of the other. > > In many situations we can use anyone,

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Don't include Perl here, it has much different concepts than C/C++/Java. >> > > But the mention of Basic was OK?!? > I don't care much with it :). -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian Maintainer signature.asc

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread jatos . software
a lot better places to start. C will be the most difficult but also the most useful. Jamie Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:10:40 To: Jeff Soules Cc: Subject: Re: Which programming Language

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Javier
Jeff Soules escribió: So start with Python or Basic (search for Gambas IDE). I hear that Python is an excellent learning language. However, I think that Basic might be less useful for this, simply because it's very different from the major language families and (last I heard) still relied on s

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Don't include Perl here, it has much different concepts than C/C++/Java. > But the mention of Basic was OK?!? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Jeff Soules wrote: >> So start with Python or Basic (search for Gambas IDE). > > I hear that Python is an excellent learning language. However, I > think that Basic might be less useful for this, simply because it's > very different from the major language families and (last I heard) > still reli

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Jeff Soules
> So start with Python or Basic (search for Gambas IDE). I hear that Python is an excellent learning language. However, I think that Basic might be less useful for this, simply because it's very different from the major language families and (last I heard) still relied on some features that teach

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Javier
Abdelkader Belahcene escribió: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. For learning purpuses

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Antonio Macchi
In many situations we can use anyone, but which is better. in this situation, maybe, scripting languages is better (no waste time for compilations...) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.or

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-06 Thread Michael Shuler
On 02/06/2009 11:25 AM, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > which is better. Similar to: what is the best ice cream flavor? what is the best car? :) -- Kind Regards, Michael Shuler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l