Re: What we want from software vendors

2008-06-25 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 24/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/24 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2) I must be interoperable with the other engineers running Solidworks. > > > > Your definition of interoperable

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi DC, Am 2008-06-22 21:31:41, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > Yes, they require the opening of an account to write to them. I > suppose that it is similar in that many FOSS mailing lists one must > subscribe to post: they are weeding out the spammers. End to end it > took me about five minutes to open the

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2) I must be interoperable with the other engineers running Solidworks. > > Your definition of interoperable seems a little weird. It sounds too > much like the definition of vendor lo

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Solidworks <=2005 runs in codeweavers, but nothing in wine. > > Which version? Anything below 1.0.0 underwent (and will in the future > under the 1.1 tree) development at a significant rate of change. > Frequently, prior to 1.0, things that didn't wor

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 23/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) I must be interoperable with the other engineers running Solidworks. Your definition of interoperable seems a little weird. It sounds too much like the definition of vendor lock-in. - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PRO

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 01:24 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Is it possible to wine your way out of this one? Forgive me if this has > > already been brought up; I appear to only have the thread after the > > subject change. > > > > Solidworks <=2005 run

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is it possible to wine your way out of this one? Forgive me if this has > already been brought up; I appear to only have the thread after the > subject change. > Solidworks <=2005 runs in codeweavers, but nothing in wine. I need a later version anyway

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 01:03 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see > >> ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the devel

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see >> ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the developers >> as well. > > Wouldn't it be a better thing in the lon

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 21:31 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > If anyone has any proprietary Windows apps that they'd like to see > ported to Linux, then mention them and I will write to the developers > as well. Wouldn't it be a better thing in the long term to encourage vendors to take a far more user-

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Writing to them at the address you provided means creating an account. > I think they already have made up their minds insofar as price/benefits of a > Linux port. > Yes, they require the opening of an account to write to them. I suppose that it is

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Proprietary binary formats. Which makes your whole proposition very dicey. As a practical matter, trying to implement not publicly documented formats leads to a "chasing of the taillights" scenario where every time the FOSS develo

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Proprietary binary formats. > > Which makes your whole proposition very dicey. As a practical matter, > trying to implement not publicly documented formats leads to a "chasing > of the taillights" scenario where every time the FOSS developers get > c

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-22 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jun 22 01:45 -0500]: > 2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > * Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: > > > >> When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux > >> that lets me interoperate with my Solidwo

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-21 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/22 Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: > >> When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux >> that lets me interoperate with my Solidworks-using colleagues >> flawlessly I will happily donate to the project

Re: What we want from software vendors

2008-06-21 Thread John Hasler
> I understand what you're asking for and where you're coming from. Are > the CAD document file formats open or are they proprietary like .doc > and .xls, etc.? Autocad claims to own the DWG format. Your FOSS group would probably need to line up legal support to defend against the lawsuits. --

Re: What we want from software vendors (Was: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing)

2008-06-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jun 21 10:05 -0500]: > When someone develops and maintains a FOSS solution that runs on Linux > that lets me interoperate with my Solidworks-using colleagues > flawlessly I will happily donate to the project twice what I would be > paying to Solid. That's a