On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 07:52:19AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> 황병희 wrote:
>
> >> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when
> >> they first trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick
> >> with it.
> >
> > Well i don't know my login desktop what it is.
> > WAYLAND_DISPLAY_LOW_DE
Hellow Emanuel ^^^
Emanuel Berg writes:
> (...)
> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
>
> Never says anything for me.
Also i don't have $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP. Somewhat chromebook's Debian 11
is different from original Debian 11. Though, under Wayland i'm using
GTK-like programs such as GNU Emacs, GIMP,
* On 2022 16 Mar 01:53 -0500, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> 황병희 wrote:
>
> >> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when
> >> they first trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick
> >> with it.
> >
> > Well i don't know my login desktop what it is.
> > WAYLAND_DISPLAY_LOW_DENSITY=waylan
Dear Greg,
Greg Wooledge writes:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:27:18PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> I switched from mplayer to mpv ...
>
> And I switched from Latin-1 to UTF-8.
Very much i like UTF-8 world! Thank you for using UTF-8, Greg ^^^
> (...thanks...)
Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee
-
Dear Kevin,
Kevin Exton writes:
> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when they first
> trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick with it.
Well i don't know my login desktop what it is. Always i use default
values. Currently i'm using Debian 11 Bullseye under Chromebook. T
On Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 2:21 PM Marco Möller <
ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> wrote:
> On 14.03.22 18:28, Anssi Saari wrote:
> > Marco Möller writes:
> >
> >> I am not sure if I understood your answer. Is it a suggestion of what
> >> should be of importance, or is it the confirmation that Wayla
On 14.03.22 18:28, Anssi Saari wrote:
Marco Möller writes:
I am not sure if I understood your answer. Is it a suggestion of what
should be of importance, or is it the confirmation that Wayland is
capable to configure clipboard access restrictive like this?
Um, I thought a question mark is a
Marco Möller writes:
> I am not sure if I understood your answer. Is it a suggestion of what
> should be of importance, or is it the confirmation that Wayland is
> capable to configure clipboard access restrictive like this?
Um, I thought a question mark is a fairly common indication of a
questi
On 14.03.22 16:23, Anssi Saari wrote:
Nicholas Geovanis writes:
Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a
running X applications to snoop on other running X applications,
something like the content of a window cannot safely kept private?
Well, what about somethi
Nicholas Geovanis writes:
> Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a
> running X applications to snoop on other running X applications,
> something like the content of a window cannot safely kept private?
Well, what about something basic like allowing only specific
On 2022-03-12 at 07:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>> There seems to be some basis to it. And some solution. But then,
>>> you're perhaps bound to a specific toolkit [1] [2] or perh
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 03:05:03PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:29:19AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > With X, the window manager is the one implementing window decorations
> > (this isn't in the protocol, but it is a strong convention applications
> > had to follow
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:29:19AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> With X, the window manager is the one implementing window decorations
> (this isn't in the protocol, but it is a strong convention applications
> had to follow in practice).
Except for when Google Chrome decided to implement its o
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:50:33AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2022 12 Mar 06:38 -0600, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> > >
> > > The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically
> > > arranged into a grid for pu
* On 2022 12 Mar 06:38 -0600, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > The other defines multiple separate "desktops", which are logically
> > arranged into a grid for purposes of indexing and access, but which are
> > individually independent
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 07:22:11AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that
> >> I remember, is the ab
On 2022-03-12 at 01:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that
>> I remember, is the ability to have multiple desktop-like things
>> which are actually all just view
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:09:08PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
[...]
> > Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a
> > running X applications to snoop on other running X applications,
> > something like the content of a window cannot safely kept private? I
> > remember
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
[...]
> The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that I
> remember, is the ability to have multiple desktop-like things which are
> actually all just viewports on one much-larger single area [...]
There seems to b
* On 2022 11 Mar 15:10 -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> That was exactly what I asked here a few days ago. And I was told that I
> was incorrect, that Wayland was simply a better implementation of X. That
> the old implementation X.org was still under active development. Showing
> that I was mista
* On 2022 11 Mar 14:06 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> > Interesting as no one uses Wayland or X11 directly but
> > through a window manager or quite likely one of the desktop
> > environments.
>
> I don't know, I think it is fair to say I use X "directly",
> I start it manu
* On 2022 11 Mar 14:10 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> >> No, I understood, but that sounds like too much emulator ...
> >
> > My understanding is that xwayland is an X server that runs
> > under Wayland and the idea is that it handles X protocols
> > but Wayland handles the
On 2022-03-11 at 16:52, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> There may be multiple reasons, but one of them is that the feature
>> set supported by Wayland (and/or the associated protocol, if any)
>> is not a superset of the feature set supported by the X protocol.
>
> They should have
Greg Wooledge writes:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:07:39PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > OK, that stinks, I'm super-happy with my WM and it's
> > configured and all. See? How do they expect anyone to switch
> > to a supposedly superior solution when there are all these
> > obstacles and limitation
On 2022-03-11 at 16:07, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> Another limitation of XWayland as I've heard it described (by the
>> same person on whose statements the previous paragraph is based, as
>> well as in online discussions related to XWeston, below), as
>> compared to a full X s
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:27:18PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> I switched from mplayer to mpv ...
And I switched from Latin-1 to UTF-8.
But until I see fvwm (or something close enough) ported to Wayland,
I have *no* incentive to give up X.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:07:39PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> OK, that stinks, I'm super-happy with my WM and it's
> configured and all. See? How do they expect anyone to switch
> to a supposedly superior solution when there are all these
> obstacles and limitations?
I don't think anyone is swit
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 12:25 PM Marco Möller <
ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> wrote:
> On 11.03.22 14:14, Christian Britz wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >
> >> I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with
> >> the release of Bull
On 2022-03-11 at 06:47, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2022 10 Mar 17:04 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>
>> didier gaumet wrote:
>>
OK, thanks, I won't switch then I think ... I like feh and use
it a lot.
>>>
>>> Just to be clear in case there would be a misunderstanding
>>> because my sen
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022, Marco M?ller wrote:
Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a running X
applications to snoop on other running X applications, something like the
content of a window cannot safely kept private? I remember to have read that
Wayland was invented for t
On 11.03.22 14:14, Christian Britz wrote:
On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:
I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with
the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and
a desktop that has two monitors. So far I have not had a
Le vendredi 11 mars 2022 à 08:07 -0600, Nate Bargmann a écrit :
>
> Gnome is now native with Wayland and its visual effects only work
> with
> Wayland as I understand it. I did try Gnome Flashback as it runs on
> X11
> and the visual effects were disabled. In some cases that's not an
> issue
* On 2022 11 Mar 07:16 -0600, Christian Britz wrote:
>
>
> On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> > I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with
> > the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and
> > a desktop that has two monito
On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with
> the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and
> a desktop that has two monitors. So far I have not had any issues with
And what is the practi
* On 2022 10 Mar 17:04 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> didier gaumet wrote:
>
> >> OK, thanks, I won't switch then I think ... I like feh and
> >> use it a lot.
> >
> > Just to be clear in case there would be a misunderstanding
> > because my sentence was not accurate enough: what I meant is
> > feh
Le jeudi 10 mars 2022 à 19:00 +0100, Emanuel Berg a écrit :
> didier gaumet wrote:
>
> > I just took a look at two of these apps:
> > - mpv uses libsdl2, so it should be Wayland compatible
> > - feh uses libx11-6, so it should not be Wayland compatible
>
> OK, thanks, I won't switch then I thi
Le jeudi 10 mars 2022 à 16:27 +0100, Emanuel Berg a écrit :
[...]
> What are the pure X applications? This is the software I use
> almost every day
>
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal/SOFTWARE
>
> The ones that start with an "x" are xterm and xpdf ...
If I understand correctly, a GUI applicati
[...]
> What are the pure X applications? This is the software I use
> almost every day
>
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal/SOFTWARE
[...]
I just took a look at two of these apps:
- mpv uses libsdl2, so it should be Wayland compatible
- feh uses libx11-6, so it should not be Wayland compatible
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 03:37:17PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
> > Don't worry. Life is like that :)
> >
> Or Tomas, you could be like me. He's had several good chances to put a
> ~30~ on my story, but he knows he'd have to send me down, I'd fix the
> stoker, rewind the generator to powe
On Wednesday, 9 March 2022 15:21:10 EST to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 08:42:31PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > tomas wrote:
> > > I hope X isn't going anywhere the next 10..15 years.
> > > After that, I'll be gone myself, so... ;-)
> > :
> > :( *sob*
>
> Don't worry. Life is l
Le mercredi 09 mars 2022 à 16:29 +0100, Emanuel Berg a écrit :
> didier gaumet wrote:
>
> > But am I wrong? I was thinking that one could start
> > a Wayland compositor from a TTY (so, also from a script),
> > with a particular configuration if she/he wishes, and launch
> > GUI programs in this en
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 08:42:31PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomas wrote:
>
> > I hope X isn't going anywhere the next 10..15 years.
> > After that, I'll be gone myself, so... ;-)
>
> :( *sob*
Don't worry. Life is like that :)
Cheers
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On 2022-03-09 18:15 UTC+0100, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> Here's something about the X ecosystem that I don't understand anymore.
> I've read the statement
> that "X isn't developed anymore, only XFree86". In other words, X source
> was re-based to Xfree86
> a long time ago. So it must be that in
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 12:51:24PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
[...]
> See I can't tell if that supports my claim or yours :-)
When in doubt, it supports your claim. I'm not aware of having made
a significant one ;-)
> Here's why: I went to that site and among others, looked at the page for
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 11:49 AM wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 11:15:54AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Here's something about the X ecosystem that I don't understand anymore.
> > I've read the statement
> > that "X isn't developed anymore, only XFree86". In other words, X sourc
On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 11:15:54AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
[...]
> Here's something about the X ecosystem that I don't understand anymore.
> I've read the statement
> that "X isn't developed anymore, only XFree86". In other words, X source
> was re-based to Xfree86
> a long time ago. So i
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 4:40 AM Christian Britz wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> On 2022-03-08 23:01 UTC+0100, Kevin Exton wrote:
> > I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when they first
> > trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick with it.
> >
> > Since more desktop environments are b
Le mercredi 09 mars 2022 à 11:14 +0100, Emanuel Berg a écrit :
>
> When I tried it the last time I looked for a xinit or startx
> which are the ways I start X (from scripts, e.g.
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal/conf/.zprofile )
>
> I then run a bunch of programs in ~/.xinitrc
>
> I asked what the
Hi Kevin,
On 2022-03-08 23:01 UTC+0100, Kevin Exton wrote:
> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when they first
> trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick with it.
>
> Since more desktop environments are beginning to choose Wayland as the
> default display protocol, I was
Hello,
One drawback at the moment is the color management of Wayland when
using the NVidia proprietary driver (not sure about Wayland on
nouveau). This is just not supported and if you need proper color
management like me using for example darktable then Wayland is not an
option yet.
If I under
On 3/9/22 00:01, Kevin Exton wrote:
> I tried Wayland some years ago now (might have been when they first
> trialled it in Ubuntu) but decided not to stick with it.
>
> Since more desktop environments are beginning to choose Wayland as the
> default display protocol, I was wondering if others thin
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