On 9 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 09 April 2006 16:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> ...
>> I put some code out there. I make things work better for my
>> packages -- and you, my friend, are reaping the benefits of that
>> labour. Calling me names just helps me place you in my own
>> est
On Sunday 09 April 2006 16:44, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
...
> I put some code out there. I make things work better for my
> packages -- and you, my friend, are reaping the benefits of that
> labour. Calling me names just helps me place you in my own
> estimation.
>
> manoj
I cut
On 5 Apr 2006, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Chris Metzler wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>
>>> And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
>>> unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering.
>>> Volunteering is giving without expecting
On 5 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:16, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On 4 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>> I never said they were hostile toward me. And that is not what
>>> I've seen in terms of complaints. It's usually along the lines of
>>> "Why can't they edit t
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:39:54 -0500
Mike McCarty wrote:
>Chris Metzler wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>
>>>And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
>>>unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering.
>>>Volunteering is giving wi
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:39:20 -0400
Hal Vaughan wrote:
>On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:38, Chris Metzler wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:29:14 -0400
>>
>>Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>>On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:26, Chris Metzler wrote:
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> A
Chris Metzler wrote:
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
Hal Vaughan wrote:
And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering.
Volunteering is giving without expecting a ROI.
This is fiction. Everyone who volunteers get
On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:38, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:29:14 -0400
>
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:26, Chris Metzler wrote:
> >>On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
> >>
> >>Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >>> And that proves even more that you are not volunteering y
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:29:14 -0400
Hal Vaughan wrote:
>On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:26, Chris Metzler wrote:
>>On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
>>
>>Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>> And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
>>> unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering
On Thursday 06 April 2006 00:26, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
>
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
> > unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering.
> > Volunteering is giving without expecting a ROI.
>
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:19:12 -0400
Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
> And that proves even more that you are not volunteering your time
> unless you get something for it. That's not volunteering.
> Volunteering is giving without expecting a ROI.
This is fiction. Everyone who volunteers gets a return on thei
On Thursday 06 April 2006 04:19, Hal Vaughan wrote this for perusal by us all:
>---> On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:16, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>---> > On 4 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>---> > > I never said they were hostile toward me. And that is not what
>---> > > I've seen in terms of complai
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Quoting Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
one of the symptoms of "user friendliness". Ubuntu, I assume, makes
the assumption that they are pulling in windows users who want a
windows type mail environment with MUA talking smtp and pop to
smarthosts out on
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:03:27 -0400
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > one of the symptoms of "user friendliness". Ubuntu, I assume, makes
> > the assumption that they are pulling in windows users who want a
> > windows
>
> This leads me to ask: Why are YOU here? Why do YOU use linux? Why do
> YOU bother with this list?
I use Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, whatever, because its made computing fun for me
again.
Plus, I can get actual work done while having that fun :)
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:15:08 -0400
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
> > Every time someone suggests something
> > that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
> > always hostility in this group and elsewhere.
I just re-read that and wan
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:00:33 -0400
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think in the long run there'll always be config files that are easy to
> edit, but we're just seeing more and more tools that make Linux easier
> and easier to use. In the long run, it's a good thing.
>
> I notice
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:16, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > I never said they were hostile toward me. And that is not what
> > I've seen in terms of complaints. It's usually along the lines of
> > "Why can't they edit text files, like we do?" I have yet to
On 4 Apr 2006, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I never said they were hostile toward me. And that is not what I've
> seen in terms of complaints. It's usually along the lines of "Why
> can't they edit text files, like we do?" I have yet to see someone
> complain that the problem with a gui or easy-to-use
Quoting Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
one of the symptoms of "user friendliness". Ubuntu, I assume, makes
the assumption that they are pulling in windows users who want a
windows type mail environment with MUA talking smtp and pop to
smarthosts out on the 'net at large instead o
%% Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
mm> I am glad to see that the FSF has at last recognized that
mm> one-letter switches instead of keyword-driven command line parsing
mm> is a bad thing, and have started instituting common and
mm> entire-word style options, like "--help" across t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nor does anyone pay them to insult newbies. I can only conclude that
> those miscreants are VOLUNTEERING to insult newbies. They do it because
> they want to. They take time out of their lives to insult newbies with
> no thought of remuneration. Thank god there are
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:20:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
No. I object to most configuration "wizards", but not because I want to
hand-edit text files by hand, using emacs. Or vi. Or nano. Or even
(does anyone remember?) teco. I've been able to
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:30:45PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> I won't deny that the attitude mentioned above exists. I have seen it,
> too. Sometimes it is warranted, frequently times it is not. But these
> people ar VOLUNTEERS. No one is paying the people on this list to
> answer quest
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:20:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 03:00:33PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:51, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:49:00 -0700
> > >
> > > Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 18:59 -0500, anoop aryal wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:47 pm, Mike McCarty wrote:
> > Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> > >>Hal Vaughan wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > People who love UNIX almost universally hate
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 18:47 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> >
> >>Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >>
> >>>Every time someone suggests something
> >>>that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
> >>>always h
Mike McCarty wrote:
Hal Vaughan wrote:
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Hal Vaughan wrote:
Every time someone suggests something
that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
always hostility in this group and elsewhere.
Do you have some exa
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:47 pm, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> >>Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >>>Every time someone suggests something
> >>>that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
> >>>always hostility i
Hal Vaughan wrote:
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Hal Vaughan wrote:
Every time someone suggests something
that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
always hostility in this group and elsewhere.
Do you have some examples?
I've seen and
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:15, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > Every time someone suggests something
> > that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
> > always hostility in this group and elsewhere.
>
> Do you have some examples?
I've seen and watched it
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 03:00:33PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:51, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:49:00 -0700
> >
> > Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
> > > > I'm gettin
Hal Vaughan wrote:
Every time someone suggests something
that makes an install easier or an easier config method, there is
always hostility in this group and elsewhere.
Do you have some examples? I do not agree with this at all. What is
easier for you might not actually be the correct thing to
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> think the resentment and frustration is not from the fact that there
> are other ways to edit config files now, but that the once hallowed
> geek space is being filled with non-geeks and true geeks no longer feel
> like they have a special playground all their own with terms
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 15:00 -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:51, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:49:00 -0700
> >
> > Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
[snip]
> still be recogni
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 13:51, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:49:00 -0700
>
> Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
> > > I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm
> > > used to using D
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:49:00 -0700
Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
> > I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to
> > using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they
> > have
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:19:33 -0400
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 03 April 2006 19:28, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > D. Michael McFarland wrote:
> > > Ubuntu is a fine distribution. It works for my friends and it's
> > > easy for me to administer for them. But the overall Ubuntu
> > >
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
> I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to
> using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they
> have some similarities.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making
On Monday 03 April 2006 19:28, Steve Lamb wrote:
> D. Michael McFarland wrote:
> > Ubuntu is a fine distribution. It works for my friends and it's
> > easy for me to administer for them. But the overall Ubuntu
> > experience is a little too sweet for my taste.
>
> You might like Mepis for fri
D. Michael McFarland wrote:
> Ubuntu is a fine distribution. It works for my friends and it's easy
> for me to administer for them. But the overall Ubuntu experience is a
> little too sweet for my taste.
You might like Mepis for friend's machines. It goes out of its way to
make things frein
Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to
> using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they
> have some similarities.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making this
> transition, t
Hodgins Family writes:
> One issue that comes up is the way Ubuntu uses the sudo command. During
> installation, newcomers (with prior experience in Linux) are caught off
> guard when they are not asked to set up a root account and password. It
> can be unnerving.
I think that not automatically c
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 06:19 -0600, Hodgins Family wrote:
> Hi Phillipe:
>
> One issue that comes up is the way Ubuntu uses the sudo command.
> During installation, newcomers (with prior experience in Linux) are
> caught off guard when they are not asked to set up a root account and
> password. I
On 2006-04-03, Hodgins Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Phillipe:
>
> One issue that comes up is the way Ubuntu uses the sudo command.
> During installation, newcomers (with prior experience in Linux) are
> caught off guard when they are not asked to set up a root account and
> password. It
Hi Phillipe:
One issue that comes up is the way Ubuntu uses the sudo command.
During installation, newcomers (with prior experience in Linux) are
caught off guard when they are not asked to set up a root account and
password. It can be unnerving. A root password CAN be set up, though.
And task
Adam Funk wrote:
I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to
using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they
have some similarities.
I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making this
transition, things that will catch me by su
On 2006-04-03, Björn Lindström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used
>> to using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that
>> they have some similarities.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any suggest
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 11:49 +0100, Adam Funk wrote:
> I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to
> using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they
> have some similarities.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making this
>
Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used
> to using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that
> they have some similarities.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making
> this transition, things t
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