Life, The Universe & Debian (was Re: Unstable vs. Stable)

1997-02-27 Thread Craig Sanders
On 24 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed writes: > > ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of > > utils I couldn't see the point in upgrading. > > That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do, > eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to cha

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-25 Thread Lars Hallberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel, > perl, etc. It is my understanding from what I've read on this list that it > is pretty much impossible to upgrade an "old" installation like mine > without re-installing. How "old"? I upgraded

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-25 Thread Guy Maor
Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmmm, I wasn't aware of this. Couldn't debian fit the last release in > total on the ftp site in a 'frozen' state for ftp users? I for one was > happy with the 1.2 release 'out of the box' and would probably not have > bothered upgrading until the next release

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-25 Thread Ed Down
On 24 Feb 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > But, on the ftp site, doesn't rex contain what was, in effect, the > > original 1.2.0 release in total? > > No, not in total, just a subset. Source and binaries in 1.2.0 that > have been replaced by files in rex-updates

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [concerned that he can't upgrade without completely re-installing his system] > I installed 1.1. You will have to upgrade dpkg by hand to the version in the release you are installing: dpkg -i dpkg-x.x.x.x.deb dpkg --clear-avail _Then_ update the list of a

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread Fabien Ninoles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Ed Down wrote: > On 24 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ed writes: > > > ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils > > > I couldn't see the point in upgrading. > > > > That's fine if you never intend to a

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread jghasler
Ed writes: > As I understand it 'rex' still contains all the packages (that were > available then) as they were at the release of 1.2.0. By "new packages" I meant ones which were not available in old releases. > So if you installed 1.2.0 you can still add new packages from there > without upgrade

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread Guy Maor
Ed Down <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 24 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It is my understanding from what I've read on this list that it > > is pretty much impossible to upgrade an "old" installation like mine > > without re-installing. That's an extremely harsh criticism. Upgrading to

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread Ed Down
On 24 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ed writes: > > ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils > > I couldn't see the point in upgrading. > > That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do, > eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to cha

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread jghasler
Ed writes: > ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils > I couldn't see the point in upgrading. That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do, eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel, perl, etc. It is my under

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-24 Thread Ed Down
On 21 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Craig writes: > > If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly > > burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that. > > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. Definitely not! I s

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-22 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
On 21 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Craig writes: > > If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly > > burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that. > > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. > -- I got Debian di

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-22 Thread Craig Sanders
On 21 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Craig writes: > > If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a > > freshly burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading > > from that. > > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. not at all. 'i

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread William Chow
On 21 Feb 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. > > FUD > > It just means that you can be as cutting edge as you feel comfortable > with/can afford. Many other systems don't even give you that option.

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread Rob Browning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. FUD It just means that you can be as cutting edge as you feel comfortable with/can afford. Many other systems don't even give you that option. Also, CheapBytes sells a Debian CD for $2.99. I doubt

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread jghasler
Craig writes: > If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly > burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that. In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [E

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread David Engel
On Feb 20, Rick Macdonald wrote > I live off unstable all the time, and seem to have less problems > than the average bear! Be forewarned, after the release of Debian 1.3.x, we will be switching to glibc 2.x, aka Linux libc 6. When that happens, the unstable tree will definitely live up to it's n

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Daniel Robbins wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Larkin) writes: > > > > > This was bad; everything linked with the x libraries couldn't run > > > since they couldn't find the libraries. They had installed a bunch > > > of X packages, so one of the packages should have b

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread Rick Macdonald
On 20 Feb 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Since it seems like all the bug fixes go in unstable, isn't the > > unstable stuff more stable than stable? > > All the new bugs go into stable too. Sometimes they are very bad. I live off unstable all the time,

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread Daniel Robbins
On 20 Feb 1997, Guy Maor wrote: > Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Since it seems like all the bug fixes go in unstable, isn't the > > unstable stuff more stable than stable? > > All the new bugs go into stable too. Sometimes they are very bad. > > > Guy I wish there was a di

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-21 Thread Guy Maor
Daniel Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since it seems like all the bug fixes go in unstable, isn't the > unstable stuff more stable than stable? All the new bugs go into stable too. Sometimes they are very bad. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe"

Re: Unstable vs. Stable

1997-02-20 Thread Igor Grobman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Daniel Robbins wrote: > On 19 Feb 1997, Rob Browning wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John T. Larkin) writes: > > > > > This was bad; everything linked with the x libraries couldn't run > > > since they couldn't find the libraries. They ha