On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:27:47 +0100
Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 24. 11. 2010 10:13:39 je Joe napisal(a):
>
> > Do most of you realise that almost all copies of Windows, and
> > many of Windows Server, are contractually tied to the hardware?
>
> Actually, we do. And it's one of the many reasons why we
Dne, 24. 11. 2010 10:13:39 je Joe napisal(a):
Do most of you realise that almost all copies of Windows, and
many of Windows Server, are contractually tied to the hardware?
Actually, we do. And it's one of the many reasons why we're on this
mailing list instead of, say, browsing the Microsoft
On Mi, 24 nov 10, 09:13:39, Joe wrote:
> Do most of you realise that almost all copies of Windows, and
> many of Windows Server, are contractually tied to the hardware? You can
> replace the motherboard only if the original is unobtainable, you
> cannot simply buy a new computer and move the OS to
Do most of you realise that almost all copies of Windows, and
many of Windows Server, are contractually tied to the hardware? You can
replace the motherboard only if the original is unobtainable, you
cannot simply buy a new computer and move the OS to it. Not under your
EULA, anyway. And yet aga
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:17:36 -0500
Chris Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:25:20PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > Chris Jones wrote:
> > > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > > > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the
> > > > freedoms to use, study, and modify the software.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:25:20PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the
> > > freedoms to use, study, and modify the software.
> >
> > How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:25:20PM EST, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Chris Jones wrote:
> > Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the
> > > freedoms to use, study, and modify the software.
> >
> > How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if
On Wednesday 17 November 2010 15:16:34 John Hasler wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
> > Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
> > reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
>
> Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
> Charging fo
On 11/17/2010 4:20 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is
when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't
use it.
No license is required to use your copy (in the USA).
The copy comes with baggage, an
Mark Allums writes:
> I expect RMS would disagree, but in real terms, what's happening is
> when you get a copy, you agree to the terms of the license, or don't
> use it.
No license is required to use your copy (in the USA).
> The copy comes with baggage, and charging for one means charging for
>
On 11/17/2010 3:16 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
Charging for a license is not.
That'
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. writes:
> Licensing under the GPL and charging for granting a license (not just
> reasonable distribution costs) is compatible.
Charging whatever the market will bear for a copy is permissible.
Charging for a license is not.
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In <20101117172626.gb30...@turki.gavron.org>, Chris Jones wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>> Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
>> to use, study, and modify the software.
>
>How would one ‘use, study, and modi
Chris Jones wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
> > to use, study, and modify the software.
>
> How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not
> afford it in the first place?
The cost is not a mone
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:25:00PM EDT, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
[..]
> Free Software has *never* been about cost. It is about the freedoms
> to use, study, and modify the software.
How would one ‘use, study, and modify the software’ if one could not
afford it in the first place?
> Duri
Klistvud wrote:
> Not only in Spain, I'm afraid. Capitalism at its best.
>
> Can't *anything* be done about it? I mean, the pushers have even
> managed to circumvent the bidding rules that generally bind
> government agencies -- by providing their lock-in-ware for free.
"Capitalism"? Public scho
Rodolfo Medina schreef:
Hi all.
Does anyone have any experience with laser printers toner refilling, such as
sold here:
http://www.refilltoner.com
? Does it work, is it easy to do?
Thanks for any response.
Rodolfo
a long experience: tonet refills/cartridges give often serious proble
>
>
>
> Original Message
>From: noela...@gmail.com
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Toner refill
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:29:03 + (UTC)
>
>>On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>
>>>&g
On 10/29/2010 06:24 AM, Klistvud wrote:
Dne, 29. 10. 2010 12:29:03 je Camaleón napisal(a):
Here in Spain, MS is reaching agreements with schools and public
institutions in order to provide almost at free of cost (just a
symbolic
fee) their products (Windows, MS Office...). And the agreement als
On Friday 29 October 2010 04:50:50 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 10/28/2010 11:25 AM:
> > I suggest against using toner or ink jet cartridges that are not
> > certified by the printer manufacturer since my experience has shown them
> > to be inferior products. Most oft
Dne, 29. 10. 2010 12:29:03 je Camaleón napisal(a):
Here in Spain, MS is reaching agreements with schools and public
institutions in order to provide almost at free of cost (just a
symbolic
fee) their products (Windows, MS Office...). And the agreement also
includes staff training and tech sup
Camaleón put forth on 10/29/2010 5:29 AM:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> I really hope "cost" is not the only thing users take as their own scale
> for going FLOSS.
>> My comments related to the reasons users choose FOSS. _One of them_
>> certainly is cost.
Empha
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:50:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>> One of the tenets of FOSS is a free or low cost alternative to
>>> commercial software.
>>
>> Free Software has *never* been about cost.
>
> Not for the developers, but it certainly has been for many users of it.
I really hope "cost"
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> ... This tactic is expected of left wing political hacks
> on sites like salon.com or moveon.org, but on debian user? I thought we
> deal in technical facts here.
>
> ...
>
> Should we take a poll? Is Ron Johnson
>
> A. A 50 something 'ish IT veteran as he claims
> B.
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 5:56 PM:
> But, but, but... cheap replacement manufacturers are pure of heart and
> only want the best for us!!!
> Gasp!! The HP would get more profit!!!
Beware. This is what you will get when you rebut Ron's statements,
proving some of his points incorrect,
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. put forth on 10/28/2010 11:25 AM:
> In <4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
>>> There
>>> are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
>>> also avoid :-)
>>
>> There is no reason to av
>> In<4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>>
>>> Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
>>>
>>> There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine.
On 10/28/2010 05:48 PM, Doug wrote:
[snip]
Some years ago, I had a color ink-jet printer from Epson. When it
ran dry, I refilled the ink reservoirs from one of the cheapie
refill suppliers. The "ink" clogged up the ink-jets, and since they
were
inaccessible, I had to throw the printer away. It w
On 10/28/2010 12:25 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In<4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón.
In <4cc91eef.5010...@hardwarefreak.com>, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
>> There
>> are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
>> also avoid :-)
>
>There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
>only difference is
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:45:18 -0500
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Hello Stan,
> office supply places I purchased them from never used any words like
> "compatible" or "non OEM". They just said "Oki 182 ribbon". No
Like you, I used cheap ribbons for my printers. At least, I did ffor a
while. However,
On 10/28/2010 03:22 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 2:14 AM:
On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to av
Ron Johnson put forth on 10/28/2010 2:14 AM:
> On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
>>> There
>>> are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
>>> also avoid :-)
>>
>> There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They wor
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:57:51 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
>> There are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I
>> would also avoid :-)
>
> There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
> only difference is th
On 10/28/2010 01:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
There
are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO of the profit go
Camaleón put forth on 10/27/2010 1:05 PM:
> There
> are also "compatible" toner cartridges at lower prices, which I would
> also avoid :-)
There is no reason to avoid these Camaleón. They work just fine. The
only difference is that ZERO of the profit goes to the printer manufacturer.
One of t
Rodolfo Medina put forth on 10/27/2010 12:42 PM:
> Hi all.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with laser printers toner refilling, such as
> sold here:
>
> http://www.refilltoner.com
I was damn close to ordering one a $15 refill kit off Ebay for my
Lexmark e120n. However, I did not. The reas
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:42:23 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience with laser printers toner refilling,
> such as sold here:
>
> http://www.refilltoner.com
>
> ? Does it work, is it easy to do?
Should you estimate the lifespan of your printer -and inner parts- and
va
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