Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-18 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, May 16, 2002, Matt Garman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > when all I use X for is to hold a dozen xterms, and then use them to > > > hold non-X programs (ftp in one, mutt in another, links, vim, and a few > > > other programs).

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-16 Thread Matt Garman
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > when all I use X for is to hold a dozen xterms, and then use them to > > hold non-X programs (ftp in one, mutt in another, links, vim, and a few > > other programs). > > Why not just use more than the standard 6 virtual consoles? Th

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-15 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, May 11, 2002, Miroslav Mazurek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footprint window manager (it > should run on 386/16MB). What's best choice? On that kit, bash. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" d

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 20:01, Seneca wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:40:56PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > > Bummer... I presume you are proscribed by Higher Authority > > from running IP Masquerading on a "real" firewall? That > > laptop with 2 PCMCIA NICs would make a great small, sile

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:40:56PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 17:13, Seneca wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 04:58:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:09, Seneca wrote: > [snip] > > > > Not just any web proxy, but one that requires me to login, and

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 17:13, Seneca wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 04:58:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:09, Seneca wrote: [snip] > > > Not just any web proxy, but one that requires me to login, and requires > > > java and javascript to do so. > > > > Sounds like MS P

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 04:58:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:09, Seneca wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:01:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 14:20, Seneca wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > >

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 15:09, Seneca wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:01:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 14:20, Seneca wrote: > > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 13:39, Seneca wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 13, 20

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 03:01:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 14:20, Seneca wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 13:39, Seneca wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > > >

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 14:20, Seneca wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 13:39, Seneca wrote: > > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > > > On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: [snip] > > > I currently

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:58:14PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 13:39, Seneca wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > > On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 07:05:51PM -0700, Jeffrey Baker wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 05:06:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 20:08, craigw wrote: > > > On Sat May 11, 2002 at 11:57:19PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 23:37, Miroslav Mazurek wrot

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 13:39, Seneca wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > > On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > > > > >Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade > > >possible). > > > > FWIW, I've successfully run X (3.3.6) o

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Seneca
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 10:50:32AM -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > >Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade > >possible). > > FWIW, I've successfully run X (3.3.6) on a P75 w/16MB RAM (2.2 kernel, > glibc) using IceWM. So

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:50, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > > Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade > > possible). > > FWIW, I've successfully run X (3.3.6) on a P75 w/16MB RAM (2.2 kernel, > glibc) using IceWM. So long as yo

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 04:18, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > 13 May 2002 04:00:48 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 01:27, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > 12 May 2002 23:55:36 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shal

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Jeffrey Baker
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 05:06:53PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 20:08, craigw wrote: > > On Sat May 11, 2002 at 11:57:19PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: > > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 23:37, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > > > > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footp

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.05.13 05:18 Miroslav Mazurek wrote: Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade possible). FWIW, I've successfully run X (3.3.6) on a P75 w/16MB RAM (2.2 kernel, glibc) using IceWM. So long as you don't run any bloatware (Gnome/KDE, Office suites, etc), this shoul

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Miroslav Mazurek
13 May 2002 04:00:48 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 01:27, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > 12 May 2002 23:55:36 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Isn't this all rather acade

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 01:27, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > 12 May 2002 23:55:36 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > > > > > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with > > > > only SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:27:52AM +0200, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > Thirdly, is there a way to use that box as X terminal? > For checking email and writing text, a 386 with 8 Mb ram is perfectly OK as X terminal. For browsing the webb, the graphics chip is crucial. An accelerated chip with 1 Mb o

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
Thus spake Miroslav Mazurek last Mon, May 13, 2002 at 08:27:52AM +0200: > First of all, disk is IBM SCSI 2GB that seems pretty fast to me and provides > enough space. > The idea is to find how useful is such old box. If it can do some web > browsing, mail and some simple word processing I'd be s

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-13 Thread Miroslav Mazurek
12 May 2002 23:55:36 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > > > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with > > > only SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! Not only is the > > > CPU old and slow, but s

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with > > only SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! Not only is the > > CPU old and slow, but so is the RAM, HDD, video card, etc. And > > the HDD will tiny!!! > > >

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 18:04, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with only > > SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! > > I used to run X on a 386/33 with 8MB. Slow, but usable. The 2.0 kernel, libc5, XFree 3.1 (or some oth

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with > only SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! Not only is the > CPU old and slow, but so is the RAM, HDD, video card, etc. And > the HDD will tiny!!! > sufficient X to have multiple term windows open at once. He won't b

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with only > SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! I used to run X on a 386/33 with 8MB. Slow, but usable. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 20:08, craigw wrote: > On Sat May 11, 2002 at 11:57:19PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 23:37, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footprint window manager > > > (it > > > should run on 386/16MB). What's b

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-12 Thread ktb
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 11:37:37PM +0200, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footprint window manager (it > should run on 386/16MB). What's best choice? > Take a look at PWM. Has great customizable keyboard support. It also allows you to stick windows to

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-11 Thread craigw
On Sat May 11, 2002 at 11:57:19PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 23:37, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footprint window manager (it > > should run on 386/16MB). What's best choice? > > Choose: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/others.

Re: Small footprint window manager

2002-05-11 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 23:37, Miroslav Mazurek wrote: > > I need som recomendation for some realy small footprint window manager (it > should run on 386/16MB). What's best choice? Choose: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/others.html blackbox is nice, as is icewm. Personally I always recommend to at l