On Saturday 09 August 2014 21:42:32 Iain M Conochie wrote:
> I find it interesting that you feel more in control of a privately
> funded corporation than a legitimate arm of a sovereign government. It
> is obvious what the NSA want to do (snoop), I'm not so sure what google
> want to do.
>
> Almost
On 03/08/14 00:21, Joel Rees wrote:
Google has too much money and is out of control.
The NSA has too much money and is out of our control.
I find it interesting that you feel more in control of a privately
funded corporation than a legitimate arm of a sovereign government. It
is obvious wha
On 03/08/2014, Mark Carroll wrote:
> Bret Busby writes:
>
>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> At least that you've noticed. (-: A persistently irritating problem with
> both Skype
Well, now maybe I can find a place to sort of drag this thread back
almost on topic for the list.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> On 4/08/2014 9:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Monday 04 August 2014 09:44:31 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>> I wonder about Kirby myself. To me,
On 4/08/2014 9:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 04 August 2014 09:44:31 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>> I wonder about Kirby myself. To me, it shouldn't be the court deciding
>> a matter of fact via *their* opinion. If the law says "xa" and the
>> opinion says "xb" ... then it is up to the parliam
On 2014-08-04, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> I think that this sub-thread has digressed from both the original
> post, and, from the nature of the mailing list, too far.
>
No shit.
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On Monday 04 August 2014 10:08:59 Bret Busby wrote:
> I disagree with you on a number of points, but, I believe, it would be
> inappropriate to further discuss these points, in this thread, and, on
> this list.
Good for you and sorry.
Lisi
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On Monday 04 August 2014 09:44:31 Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> I wonder about Kirby myself. To me, it shouldn't be the court deciding
> a matter of fact via *their* opinion. If the law says "xa" and the
> opinion says "xb" ... then it is up to the parliament to correct the
> situation if it is fault
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 04/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>
> Yeah, okay.
>
> But, some people with whom I have communicated, do not want others to
> see them, when they are talking to them.
>
> And, to me, Skype was a wonderful facility - video calls are a
>
On 08/04/2014 01:36 AM Bret Busby wrote:
How many different people do you want to be able to video chat with?
>What's your purpose? Figure out what you want to do, and you probably
>don't need skype at all.
>
Relatives and acquaintances (for me), would be good, and, some people
of whom I have no
On 04/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Hi Bret,
>
> On 3/08/2014 8:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
Actually we are subject to a bill of rights, see here:
http://www.clrg.info/2011/02/validity-of-bill-of-rights-1688/
>>> That applies only to Victoria - I believe that, like motor vehicle
>
Hi Bret,
On 3/08/2014 8:47 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> Actually we are subject to a bill of rights, see here:
>>> http://www.clrg.info/2011/02/validity-of-bill-of-rights-1688/
>>>
>> That applies only to Victoria - I believe that, like motor vehicle
>> roadworthiness testing, human rights legislatio
On 04/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> And the reas
On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 03:05:28 -0400
Tom H wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby
> wrote:
> >
> > I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently
> > cancelled Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
> >
> > With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>>> wrote:
On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>
>
>
>> And the reason I decided to respond was to ask your reason fo
On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 05:30:47 +1000
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the
> > service) whether it be open or closed source,
>
> What about Google Han
Bret Busby writes:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service)
>>> whether it be open or closed source,
>>
>> What about Goo
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> Microsoft and Google are great big US companies ... that's a problem
> just to start with; the US Government or any of their agents can easily
> destroy all your privacy any time they like.
Are you assuming US companies only gangrape your
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>>> wrote:
On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>>
>
>>
>>> And, in terms of party polit
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>
>> I do not have a smart phone - I have an "Oldies Phone" - an unblocked
>> Telstra
On 3/08/2014 6:46 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> I do not have a smart phone - I have an "Oldies Phone" - an unblocked
> Telstra EasyCall, with decent sized buttons, made in Taiwan,
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> In terms of hardware, I don't want any fingerprint readers, nor do I
>> want any other unwanted spying /tools/ to be available to the spooks.
>> Anything with Intel inside is also suspect for similar reasons to the
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>>> wrote:
> If you have a smart phone, chances are it is Android (Google owned IP
> and control) or iOS (Apple owned IP and control). Even if you have a
> Linux based phone (oth
On 3/08/2014 9:21 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>> wrote:
>>> What about Google Hangouts? That might be a reasonable substitute
>>>
>> Google? That is even more sinister than the NSA, isn't it? The NSA
>> doesn't drive around suburbia, filming everyone in their yard
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
>
> There must be an alternative to Skype.
>
> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fed-up-with-skype-here-are-6-of-the-best-free-alternatives/
In theory but not in practice - unless you want to use one of the
above and talk to yourself.
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On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled
> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
>
> With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta)
> running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site
What is the difference between Microsoft insisting that Bret upgrade
from Debian 6 to 7 and other Debian users insisting that Bret upgrade
from Debian 6 to 7. Don't Debians know why they don't like Microsoft?
!systemd, !systemd, !systemd
On 8/2/2014 4:55 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 03/08/2014, J
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 06:42:38AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
> > On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> >> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> >> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service)
> >> whether it be
Unfortunately, software has bugs. Some of these bugs are probably very
bad. I don't work for Microsoft, and I don't use Skype. In fact, I
haven't used a Microsoft product in many years --- and I would refuse
to use one now mostly on principle However, I wouldn't be too
surprised that there's
On 03/08/2014, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, AW wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>> So, for many users a Skype client is necessary... unless Microsoft
>> decided to work on making Skype fully interoperable with other SIP
>> servers. Although, I somehow doubt this would ever happen.
>>
>> But... To the OP..
On 03/08/2014, AW wrote:
>
> So, for many users a Skype client is necessary... unless Microsoft
> decided to work on making Skype fully interoperable with other SIP
> servers. Although, I somehow doubt this would ever happen.
>
> But... To the OP... Debian 6 is no longer a supported version.
>
On 03/08/2014, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> And the reason I decided to respond was to ask your reason for not
> wanting to use wheezy. Or, rather, if your reason is m
I've tried linphone once or twice. The basic issue with SIP phones is
that it's not really possible to jump networks. It's kind of like a
cellphone network where you can only dial other subscribers of the same
network.
http://en.flossmanuals.net/linphone/
So, for many users a Skype client is ne
On 03/08/2014, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> Any experiences with linphone, an open source, multi-platform alternative?
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>
Hello.
Yes - I tried that, to connect with another person using Linux, and it
did not work.
Queries were posted to the Linphone list, in February last
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan
> wrote:
>> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service)
>>> whether it be open or close
Any experiences with linphone, an open source, multi-platform alternative?
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On 03/08/2014, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled
>> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
>
> How did you find out?
(Please excuse the verbose and convoluted mat
On 03/08/2014, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
>> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service)
>> whether it be open or closed source,
>
> What about Google Hangouts? That might be a r
On 03/08/2014, Stephen Maxwell wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> There was an email sent out by Skype within the last couple of weeks which
> stated that I was using an old version of skype that would cease to function
> if I
> did not update (deleted the email).
>
I did not receive that email message.
Belo
On 3/08/2014 4:39 AM, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> There is no substitute for Skype (either the software or the service)
> whether it be open or closed source,
What about Google Hangouts? That might be a reasonable substitute
I haven't used Skype
Hello,
There was an email sent out by Skype within the last couple of weeks which
stated that I was using an old version of skype that would cease to function if I
did not update (deleted the email).
The below post on the Skype blog states "So everyone can benefit
from the latest improvemen
On Sun 03 Aug 2014 at 01:29:57 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled
> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
How did you find out?
> With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta)
> running on
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> Insofar as I am aware, no open source equivalent, that works, is
> available for Debian 6.
Of skype?! Don't think so, no. I guess you can always chroot it. Or
try ubuntu packages.
I doubt M$ will put any efforts in releasing non-Windows versions
On 08/02/2014 02:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled
> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
>
> With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta)
> running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site, and found
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