On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:17:41AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 09 dec 20, 15:23:44, Celejar wrote:
I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE performance is
as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance
penalty of FUSE when native mounting would seem easy
> been implemented by the components in Debian Bullseye. Does seem a
> little perverse though if it should be implemented just after Linux
> gains an exFAT kernel driver, a filesystem that only really exists for
> interoperability between devices (i.e. those that will be removable
> media).
FWIW,
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:41 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 09 dec 20, 15:23:44, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE performance is
> > as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance
> > penalty of FUSE when native mounting would
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:12:50AM +, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 10:56 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > I think the tencency is to mount untrusted file systems over FUSE,
[...]
> > due to the realisation that file system code wasn't designed with
> > malicious file system images
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 08:15:05PM +1100, David wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 19:35, Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 + Tixy wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'.
>
> > Partitions containing Linux filesystems.
That's what we are talking
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 10:56 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 09:00:39AM +, Tixy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +, Tixy wrote:
> > > Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained
> > > kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 09:00:39AM +, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +, Tixy wrote:
> > Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained
> > kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older
> > FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different e
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 19:35, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 + Tixy wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'.
> Partitions containing Linux filesystems.
I understand a 'Linux partition' to be one that has a
partition ID = 83h as discussed here:
ht
On Mi, 09 dec 20, 19:47:14, Joe wrote:
>
> I believe a mount point will always be owned by root, regardless of the
> permissions of the underlying directory,
Nitpick: in the relevant documentation a "mount point" is the underlying
directory.
You're probably referring to the filesystem's root d
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +, Tixy wrote:
> Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained
> kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older
> FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different experiences
> with fuse getting involved.
I just saw from you
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:35 +, Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 +
> Tixy wrote:
>
>
> > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'.
>
> Partitions containing Linux filesystems.
OK, I guess you really meant filesystems supported by the Linux kernel,
because
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 +
Tixy wrote:
>
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'.
Partitions containing Linux filesystems.
--
Joe
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 20:34 +, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:23:44 -0500
> Celejar wrote:
>
[...]
> > Interesting. I haven't been using automounting, but I just enabled
> > Xfce's native automounting (Thunar / Edit / Preferences / Advanced
> > /
> > Volume Management:Configure / Mount re
On Mi, 09 dec 20, 19:10:42, Joe wrote:
>
> I haven't investigated it thoroughly, but when I have casually checked
> what is mounted, I see that any USB sticks plugged in are on fuse. Xfce
> on sid, no usbmount, automounting done by systemd, by the way.
That is likely to happen for NTFS, because t
On Mi, 09 dec 20, 15:23:44, Celejar wrote:
>
> I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE performance is
> as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance
> penalty of FUSE when native mounting would seem easy enough to do?
The ntfs-3g developers claim there is no si
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 03:35:16PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 3:28 PM wrote:
>
> > ...
>
>
> > > Instead I took it as a criticism of background processes in our society
> > and
> > > economy: mass-marketing and lack-of-choice (ineffective but enforced
> > > produ
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 3:28 PM wrote:
> ...
> > Instead I took it as a criticism of background processes in our society
> and
> > economy: mass-marketing and lack-of-choice (ineffective but enforced
> > product buy-in, in this case).
>
> We are in violent agreement, then :)
>
I just noticed
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 03:14:51PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 5:12 AM wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:16:46AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > >
> > > deloptes wrote:
> > > > > Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a dreamer.
> > >
> > > to...@tuxteam.de w
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 5:12 AM wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:16:46AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> >
> > deloptes wrote:
> > > > Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a dreamer.
> >
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Your life would be miserable weren't it for many such "dreamers".
> >
>
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:23:44 -0500
Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:42 +
> Joe wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500
> > Celejar wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800
> > > David Christensen wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > As you have not stated h
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 07:47:14PM +, Joe wrote:
> I believe a mount point will always be owned by root, regardless of the
> permissions of the underlying directory, because only root is allowed
> to mount things.
unicorn:~$ mkdir mtpt
unicorn:~$ ls -ld mtpt
drwxr-xr-x 2 greg greg 4096 Dec 9
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:42 +
Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800
> > David Christensen wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume
> > > that you plugged it in, an icon a
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 12:22:28 -0700
Fred wrote:
> When I was denied permission to write a file to the device as a
> regular user I checked the permissions and then discovered root could
> not change them. Being a hardware oriented person I was concerned
> the SecureAccess software needed to chang
On 12/8/20 9:39 PM, David Christensen wrote:
On 2020-12-08 07:29, Fred wrote:
Hello,
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the
package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it
prevents me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates
cancero
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500
Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800
> David Christensen wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume
> > that you plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you
> > interacted with the icon, and the d
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800
David Christensen wrote:
...
> As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume that you
> plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you interacted with the
> icon, and the drive was mounted at /media/usb0. If so, AIUI the various
> Debi
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:16:46AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
> > > > companies will keep bringing them to the market.
>
> deloptes wrote:
> > > Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a
On Ma, 08 dec 20, 20:39:35, David Christensen wrote:
>
> If you want to use the drive for some other purpose, such as burning a
> Debian Installer ISO image onto it, do not mount the drive using the
> desktop. (You may have to disable the desktop automounting feature).
> Instead, open a terminal
Fred writes:
>> If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
>> companies will keep bringing them to the market.
>> Stefan
>>
> I agree but taking something that doesn't work back to Walmart or
> other large company won't inform the manufacturer about the problem.
>
Hi,
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
> > > companies will keep bringing them to the market.
deloptes wrote:
> > Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a dreamer.
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Your life would be miserable weren't it for
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 11:13:38PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
> > companies will keep bringing them to the market.
> >
>
> Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a dreamer.
Your life would be miserab
James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> Hmm. When I put a new flash device into service, at the very least, I
> wipe all bundled content from it, and may completely reformat it,
> depending on my needs, just as a matter of course.
I was buying recently many (about 10 SanDisk drives in the past 2-3y). All
of
On 2020-12-08 07:29, Fred wrote:
Hello,
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the
package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents
me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous,
virus infested, scourge of the Earth softw
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:53:16AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package
> > says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from
> > writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus
> > in
On 12/8/20 2:21 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more constructive path
forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't work.
That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Presumably
the stick was bought for some purpose.
If yo
On Tue 08 Dec 2020 at 17:55:41 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
> >> companies will keep bringing them to the market.
> > Yes, but choose your battles.
>
> Agreed. I was just proposing it in to remind people that there is such
>
>> If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
>> companies will keep bringing them to the market.
> Yes, but choose your battles.
Agreed. I was just proposing it in to remind people that there is such
a choice.
> In this case the retailer would chuck it in the bin and ask
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 16:21 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > > Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more
> > > > constructive path
> > > > forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't
> > > > work.
> >
> > That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
> > P
Hmm. When I put a new flash device into service, at the very least, I
wipe all bundled content from it, and may completely reformat it,
depending on my needs, just as a matter of course.
--
JHHL
(I vaguely recall that at one time, if you bought a new wallet, the
card-and-picture section would
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the
> companies will keep bringing them to the market.
>
Your idea is not bad but only in theory of a dreamer. Nobody cares if you
return 1 or even 1000 of 6,- US$ end user price product. It costs perhaps
1$ to
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 16:21:36 -0500
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> > Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more
> >> > constructive path forward is to return the bugger, complaining
> >> > that it doesn't work.
> >
> > That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Presumably
>
>> > Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more constructive path
>> > forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't work.
>
> That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Presumably
> the stick was bought for some purpose.
If you never complain&return those p
On Tue 08 Dec 2020 at 12:41:48 (-0700), Fred wrote:
> On 12/8/20 8:53 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package
> > > says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from
> > > writing to it without running the inclu
On 12/8/20 8:40 AM, steve wrote:
Hi,
Le 08-12-2020, à 08:29:47 -0700, Fred a écrit :
Hello,
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the
package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it
prevents me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates
On 12/8/20 8:53 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package
says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from
writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus
infested, scourge of the Earth softwar
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:42:53AM -0500, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:29:47AM -0700, Fred wrote:
> > root@ragnok:/home/fred# chown fred /media/usb0
> > chown: changing ownership of '/media/usb0': Operation not permitted
>
> sudo chown fred /media/usb0
>
> Would that work
> I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package
> says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from
> writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus
> infested, scourge of the Earth software.
Yuck!
> fred@ragnok:/media/usb0
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:29:47AM -0700, Fred wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package
> says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from
> writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus
> infested
Hi,
If you don't have any real and valuable data on your usb stick, you should
probably format it.
See https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=46930 for example.
Best regards,
l0f4r0
Hi,
Le 08-12-2020, à 08:29:47 -0700, Fred a écrit :
Hello,
I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the
package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it
prevents me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates
cancerous, virus infested, scour
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