On Mi, 18 dec 13, 13:11:30, Tom H wrote:
>
> At home, people can run "sudo bash" (or more appropriately, "sudo -s"
> or "sudo -i") but we can't do that at my current job or other at my
> previous jobs.
Is this requirement for logging purposes?
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> In the corporate environments where I work, we are about 70 sysadmins
>> in my location and about half as much in another. We all sudo to root
>> on our more or less 11,000 systems. So by your reckoning we have 100
>> c
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:13:18PM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Chris Bannister writes:
>
> > This is in a tty, so don't know what will happen in an xterm or other
> > virtual terminal.
>
> The virtual terminals usually honour ANSI escape sequences. For sure
> xterm, the rxvt family and th
Tom H writes:
> In the corporate environments where I work, we are about 70 sysadmins
> in my location and about half as much in another. We all sudo to root
> on our more or less 11,000 systems. So by your reckoning we have 100
> critical accounts but that's not how our internal and external
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Tom H writes:
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>>> If some users needed to have the root power for a small set of
>>> operation, then sudo would give them that extact power, no more no
>>> less.
>>>
>>> What
On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 22:14 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> 'sudo sh' is as easy on finger (no shift) and do not feel as bad.
Doesn't it have any side-effects?
I wonder about the prompt of an Arch Linux install.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -l /bin/sh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 25 14:06 /bin/sh
On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:14:50 +0900
Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 09:09:53PM -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:27:41 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > > > For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
> > >
> > > sudo
On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 09:09:53PM -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:27:41 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > > For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
> >
> > sudo has the '-s' and '-i' switches, why mix with 'su'?
> >
> > Kind re
Chris Bannister writes:
> This is in a tty, so don't know what will happen in an xterm or other
> virtual terminal.
The virtual terminals usually honour ANSI escape sequences. For sure
xterm, the rxvt family and the libvte-based ones do.
But with virtual terminals you can do something like hav
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:11:34PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 December 2013 06:39:17 Tom H wrote:
> > You can't trust yourself with sudo but you can trust yourself with
> > su or login root access...
>
> I have to make a conscious effort to become root. This reduces the
> risk that
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 06:39:17 Tom H wrote:
> You can't trust yourself with sudo but you can trust yourself with
> su or login root access...
I have to make a conscious effort to become root. This reduces the
risk that I will accidentally do something extra foolish. I do not
have root lo
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Lu, 09 dec 13, 18:13:07, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > > On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> > > > account. Therefore you have t
Tom H writes:
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > If some users needed to have the root power for a small set of
> > operation, then sudo would give them that extact power, no more no
> > less.
> >
> > What are the benefits of The "Macintosh/Ubuntu" use of sudo? I
Ralf Mardorf writes:
> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 18:13 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > Think about this scenario: someone devises a clever way to slip a
> > Trojan in a user account.
>
> Than the trojan has got user privileges only. If it's a key logger it
> can read what password you type f
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 09 December 2013 18:55:33 Tom H wrote:
Yes, I don't like it and always want a root password. As you
say, this is and has been contentious.
>>
>> Having a password for root and having sudo installed and set up
>> isn't an
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 18:13:07, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > >
> > > sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> > > account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
> >
> > C
On Monday 09 December 2013 18:55:33 Tom H wrote:
> >> Yes, I don't like it and always want a root password. As you
> >> say, this is and has been contentious.
>
> Having a password for root and having sudo installed and set up
> isn't an either/or proposition.
We have already agreed surely that ho
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>> On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>>> What are the benefits of The "Macintosh/Ubuntu" use of sudo? Improved
>>> security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root
>>> access
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Lisi Reisz writes:
>> On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote:
>>> If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a
>>> recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like
>>> sudo. I was shocked by
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 18:13 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> Think about this scenario: someone devises a clever way to slip a
> Trojan in a user account.
Than the trojan has got user privileges only. If it's a key logger it
can read what password you type for sudo, but also what you type for su.
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> > account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
>
> Could you please elaborate on this? In Debian's default configuratio
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 10:56:22, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
Could you please elaborate on this? In Debian's default configuration
this is simply not true.
> > > Furth
2013-12-09 14:43 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta:
> > This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use
> > the sudo command. In Debian default it acutally means the members of the
> > sudo group.
>
> AFAIK it means "those listed in /etc/sudoers", according to the
>
John Hasler writes:
> Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
> > sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> > account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
>
> Ubuntu grants sudo privileges only to the first user account created.
> As there is no root account, the
Nemeth Gyorgy writes:
> 2013-12-09 10:56 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta:
> > sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> > account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
>
> This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use
>
Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
> sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
Ubuntu grants sudo privileges only to the first user account created.
As there is no root account, there is just one account with root
privi
2013-12-09 10:56 keltezéssel, Gian Uberto Lauri írta:
> sudo makes it a bit worse. Any user account opens the door to the root
> account. Therefore you have to guard a larger perimeter.
This is not true. Only the user account which is in /etc/sudoers can use
the sudo command. In Debian default it
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >
> > What are the benefits of The "Macintosh/Ubuntu" use of sudo? Improved
> > security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root
> > access, just type "sudo bash".
>
> sudo doesn't make th
On Lu, 09 dec 13, 09:09:11, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>
> What are the benefits of The "Macintosh/Ubuntu" use of sudo? Improved
> security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root
> access, just type "sudo bash".
sudo doesn't make this worse, just slightly easier. Compromising
Lisi Reisz writes:
> On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote:
> > If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a
> > recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like
> > sudo. I was shocked by that because I always thought that most
> > people liked
On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:27:41 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
>
> sudo has the '-s' and '-i' switches, why mix with 'su'?
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
'sudo su' rolls off the fingers easier.
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On Du, 08 dec 13, 19:14:49, Neal Murphy wrote:
>
> For me, I usually set up 'sudo su'
sudo has the '-s' and '-i' switches, why mix with 'su'?
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Sunday, December 08, 2013 07:01:50 PM Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote:
> > If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a
> > recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like
> > sudo. I was shocked by that because I always
On Saturday 07 December 2013 21:36:30 Bob Proulx wrote:
> If you look back in the mailing list archives you will find a
> recent discussion where there were some people who didn't like
> sudo. I was shocked by that because I always thought that most
> people liked it.
Yes, I don't like it and alw
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Troy Engel wrote:
> > Hi all - which package do you report against for a missing package during
> > install? debian-installer? user-setup? The jessie .iso 2013-12-07 netinst
> > using only groups "SSH Server" and "Standard Tools" failed to install sudo.
> > The sudo group is
On Sb, 07 dec 13, 11:17:58, Troy Engel wrote:
> Hi all - which package do you report against for a missing package during
> install? debian-installer? user-setup? The jessie .iso 2013-12-07 netinst
> using only groups "SSH Server" and "Standard Tools" failed to install sudo.
> The sudo group is in
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