apt-get in an option
fedora is heavier and bugged
if you want to use redhat prefer shrike (redhat 9)
Ark
Kent West wrote:
> Alex Malinovich wrote:
>
>>Ok, it seems that my previous thread was broadly misunderstood on this
>>topic, so my apologies for not expressing myself more clearly.
>>
> Don
Alex Malinovich wrote:
Ok, it seems that my previous thread was broadly misunderstood on this
topic, so my apologies for not expressing myself more clearly.
Don't feel too bad; it was my impression (and just my impression - I'm
not accusing anyone of anything) that you did not say anything wrong
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:26:49PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
> > > On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> [snip]
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
> > On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
[snip]
>
> I'm a "Developer" -- even though I started with VB and Access and
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less
> > > > than what these people spend on the softw
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less
> > > than what these people spend on the software itself now.
>
> People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits.
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> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:25:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > (c) running costs for
> > > the sort of vehicle that gets you from A
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:25:19PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> (c) running costs for
> > the sort of vehicle that gets you from A to B legally but no more
>
> $150, tops, and that's if you're as hard on a bike as I am
I just broke th
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(c) running costs for
> the sort of vehicle that gets you from A to B legally but no more
$150, tops, and that's if you're as hard on a bike as I am
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:33:02PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:24:14PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less than
> > > > what these people spend on the soft
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:24:14PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less than
> > > what these people spend on the software itself now.
>
> People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benef
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:11:04 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:31:08PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
> >
> > We're all here because we know that Windows achieves "easy" at the
> > expense of being hopelessly insecure and often b
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:24:14 -0800
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less
> > > than what these people spend on the software itself now.
>
> People cost a ton -- $100g +
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less than
> > what these people spend on the software itself now.
People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I use round numbers: in
my 9 years since college, the "a
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:31:08PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
>
> We're all here because we know that Windows achieves "easy" at the
> expense of being hopelessly insecure and often broken. Maybe it's time
> to start offering another choice to people who are fed up with Windows
> but not ready to in
On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:48, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> See:
>
> http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer
>
> Both standards *and* free software matter.
Nice link - thanks. I've been looking for something like this but I didn't
know how to ask for it. I've read some things on the
on Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +1300, cr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
> > >
On Saturday 08 November 2003 17:49, Edward Murrell wrote:
> Click'n'Drool interface
I just can't stop chuckling.
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On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:02, BruceG wrote:
> My experience with the wonderful world of Linux and end users
> - or normal people. My sister needed a laptop to help her
> start a new business writing grant proposals. I figured I'd
> help by buying her a laptop (used,
Johnson wrote :
» Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:22:55 -0600
» From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
» To: Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
» Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
» Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:23:00 -0600 (CST)
» Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTE
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:28, Mike Mueller wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
> > > >
> > > > Well, th
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 07:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
> > >
> > > Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or something
> > > t
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:57 -0500
Mike Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > As in "proprietary, closed-source app
Speaking of Reader Rabbit, has anyone gotten any of the educational
games running under wine?
Art Edwards
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 02:52:38PM -0800, Daniel Miller wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet
csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can use Scribus. Is it
> better than Quark. Most likely not. But if you want to layout your
> small office's newsletter it would do the job just fine.
If one doesn't mind a proprietary app, Pagestream[1] is a very
po
* csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031107 16:17]:
> Do you want desktop publishing on *n*x, you can use Scribus. Is it
> better than Quark. Most likely not. But if you want to layout your
> small office's newsletter it would do the job just fine.
According to an article in last month's _Linux Journal_,
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 at 12:27:11 -0600,
Ron Johnson wrote:
[...]
> On the other end of the scale, there are, as far as I know, no
> OSS packages comparable to Reader Rabbit or Calendar Creator or
> Act! or EndNote or Quark.
You can compare Scribus to Quark.
> Some are ok, but in many cases, not
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 04:28:57PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
> Let's say you're a barn builder. People need barns and are used to buying
> barns now-a-days. You go around to the community and suggest a community
> barn-raising project. Everyone agrees but you soon find out the participants
On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
> > >
> > > Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or something
techlists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As much as I like Wine, and use it myself for some products, I fear that
> the wine project may do to linux what win-os/2 did for os/2. If your
> system will run win32 apps, what insentive do companies have to develop
> native programs for you.
Well, Wine
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 13:20, techlists wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
> > > > all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
> > > > simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
> > > > start picking it up. a lot of us wi
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 17:52, David Millet wrote:
> > > all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
> > > simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
> > > start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
> > >
> > > i'm extremely confident that
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
> >
> > Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or something
> > that you prefer not to use.
> >
> > I prefer not to u
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"?
>
> Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or something
> that you prefer not to use.
>
> I prefer not to use proprietary, closed-source apps, but, when
> necessary, will pay f
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:26, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:32:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
> > > > Or not until wine begins running these and every w
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:32:41AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
> > > Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
> > > everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefu
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Mike Mueller wrote:
> On Thursday 06 November 2003 14:27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > So, yes: It seems it makes some sense what the RedHat chief executive
> > said.
>
> If your brother or sister starts a new venture, you wouldn't use the local
> newspaper to say that their ve
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 05:46, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
> > Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
> > everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon.
> >
> > david
>
> No! Emulating proprietry softwa
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:27:22PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
> > Linux that I have from time to time might need a simple rest
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 04:52:29PM -0700, David Millet wrote:
> Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
> everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon.
>
> david
No! Emulating proprietry software is not the future for an open source
operating system.
--
Jon
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:58:51 -0700
David Millet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Complain to the store's owner that his employees overwrote your
> >data, and demand compensation. Contact the BSA, and tell them
> >about the unlicensed Windows.
> >
> >
> hell ya!
>
>
Contact MS and tell them ab
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 20:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 08:27:22PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
> > Linux that I have from time to time might need a si
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> OTOH: Yesterday I was told by Linux folks that the sound problems on
> Linux that I have from time to time might need a simple restart of the
> system. Which was a surprise for me as
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From: "BruceG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
>
> - Original Message -
> From: &
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To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:02, BruceG
Complain to the store's owner that his employees overwrote your
data, and demand compensation. Contact the BSA, and tell them
about the unlicensed Windows.
hell ya!
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On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:02, BruceG wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Millet
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Debian-User
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: "Red Hat recomm
My experience with the wonderful world of Linux and end users - or
normal people. My sister needed a laptop to help her start a new
business writing grant proposals. I figured I'd help by buying her
a laptop (used, but still good, a Dell Latitude PIII, 256Meg RAM,
12 Gig hard d
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From:
David Millet
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Debian-User
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:52
PM
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows
for consumers"
all I have to say is that I personally want linux t
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule the desktop market, because of
the speed at which t
On Thursday 06 November 2003 14:27, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> So, yes: It seems it makes some sense what the RedHat chief executive
> said.
If your brother or sister starts a new venture, you wouldn't use the local
newspaper to say that their venture is immature and folks should check back
in a
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, ScruLoose wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >
> > See my post in another thread. Different people have different visions
> > for the future of linux. Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
> > desktop leader. Not all of us
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From: "ScruLoose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 19:31
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
The Scru is no longer loose you have your head on tight.
Congrats;
Hoy
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 00:11, Tom wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:02:26PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
[snip]
> > H.P., slandered as it has been, appears to have been the only corporate
> > body that has exhibited any real long term commitment, so far.
Because of John Hall, and the ex-DECcies, a
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 02:02:26PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> Linux people are running around saying 'this corporation's good, and
> that one is bad', when as far as I am concerned, corporations don't have
> personalities,-their lifeblood is profit. Period. Fullstop.
> If anybody thinks that cor
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:58:05 -0800
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:27:32PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
> > Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell
> >
> > effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO
> > peed into the OSS
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 20:55, David Millet wrote:
> all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
> simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
> start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
>
> i'm extremely confident that it will rule the de
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 at 01:31 GMT, ScruLoose penned:
>
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>
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>>=20 See my post in another thr
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:27:32PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote:
> Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell
> effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO peed into
> the OSS well. He should have kept his mouth shut. Then again he might be
> position
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 19:27, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
> desktop leader. Not all of us want it to be easy enough to use that our
> moms are comfortable -- not if that means sacrificing security,
> stability, or our beloved command line and te
all I have to say is that I personally want linux to rule the desktop,
simply because I will stand to make alot of money when big companies
start picking it up. a lot of us will, in fact.
i'm extremely confident that it will rule the desktop market, because of
the speed at which the desktops h
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:44:20AM -0800, Tom wrote:
...
> I like Hondas Civics myself, closest thing to a solid-state automobile
> you can by. Buy it, it's fully functional without style, but damn if it
> isn't headache-free :-)
Heh. I'll sell you mine (nearly new). Been a headache since day
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
> See my post in another thread. Different people have different visions
> for the future of linux. Not all of us care whether or not it becomes a
> desktop leader. Not all of us want it to be easy enough to use that our
> mom
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 at 00:01 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
>
> As ustall I will be politically incorrect but I think the following
> applys to this entire subject:
>
> Ignore the past and you will fail Ignore the future and you have
> already failed.{Unknown}
>
> I think RH ignored the future. Will
- Original Message -
From: "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:33
Subject: Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 17:14 GMT, Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 17:14 GMT, Wolfgang Pfeiffer penned:
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39117575,00.htm
>
This was on slashdot and people really freaked out about it.
The guy is saying that RedHat is great for businesses, even for
corporate user machines, but that he has trouble seeing
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:14:08PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39117575,00.htm
Computers are similar to cars: if you know what you are doing, you can
pretty much fix them yourselves for the cost of parts, and minor
problems don't hold you up much. If you
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:46:48 +0100,
Richard Lyons wrote:
[...]
> Dunno why I care really. I only bought boxed sets of 4.1, 4.2,
> 7.1, 7.2, 7.3... and I suppose I would never have got to
> Debian if I hadn't cut my teeth on RH. End of an era, just the
> same.
End of the branded boxed-set era?
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How-to Install kickstart (Red Hat) in debian:
> Como instalar kickstart en debian
> (English & Spanish)
> (Ingles y Español)
>
> I need a machine with red hat for use redhat-config-kickstart? NO !! :-)
[...]
This is timely. I just got
May 9, at 09:45, dman sent through the Star Gate:
>Whenever a library goes through a major incompatible revision, debian
>keeps both around as separately named packages designed to co-exist.
That by itself is a good enough reason for me to try Debian. I tried as a
newbie to upgrade some packages
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> debian! Use exim instead, it's much easier to configure.
I'm going to have to strongly agree with that. It's mail simplicity and
easier than walking your boss through OE by phone (my current measure
for the most difficult anything should be).
--
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--
T
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> | That just hurts...why would someone implement something in such an
> | obviously painful manner?
>
> Have you ever tried to read RH init scripts? Have you ever tried to
> find an init script?
Yes, I have, which is why I wonder why they made the same fscking
mi
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> number is kinda part of the package name. The package name is as much
> as you specify, rather than having specific delimiters like dpkg. rpm
> also allows multiple packages with the same "name" (different version)
> installed, as long as no two files have the s
On 0, dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> | On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
> | > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
> file
> | > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individu
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:24:39PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
( ... )
> The main thing that struck me on the move are that some of the
> configuration files are "automagically" updated (modules.conf for example)
> and if you make changes to them directly you can end up losing those
> changes.
Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming there
> are
> a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?
isntallation 'looks' much different (i like it -
simpler), config files are much easier to find in
debian, apt is such a slick tool, and i find
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:49:16PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[some quotes re-arranged for better cohesiveness of replies]
| dman writes:
| >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| >(I couldn't get my 8MB clunker to boot from a cd and didn't have any
| >floppies han
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
file
| > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
| > /etc/xinetd.d/. I'm su
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:09:42AM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| Ron writes:
| >
| >> That by itself is good enough for me to try it. I absolutely dread Red Hat
| >> upgrades. I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade
individual
| >> packages without having to re-install the w
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:11:30AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
|
| > >> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site
I'm
| > >> accessing can handle it. If the perl dependencies in your example
install
| > >> withou
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:37:56AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:
| On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote:
| > On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| > [snip]
| > > - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 12:20:44AM -0500, Ron wrote:
> Isn't that how everyone does it? Even in Debian/woody, there
> are .conf files in more places than just the /etc tree.
Reading configuration (that the user might be expected to change) out of
anywhere other than /etc is considered a bug ...
On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> >> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site I'm
> >> accessing can handle it. If the perl dependencies in your example install
> >> without breaking other dependencies, I'm good to go.
> >
> >Jeez...I'm so glad I'm back
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:43, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
> > file
> > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
> > /etc/xinetd.d/. I'm sure t
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> [snip]
> > - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
> > complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line. You also h
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson writes:
>On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>> I don't have a problem as much with downloading dependencies as I do with
>> needing programs that require conflicting libraries. I'm fortunate in that I
>> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson writes:
>On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>> Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well.
>
>Not sure what paralell universe that's from. Linux runs on PDAs, for
I mis-stated myself; Low RAM boxes and Linux GUIs (X and gimp, desktop
applications (Gnome, KDE), et
On 9 May 2002, Ron wrote:
> I don't remember being able to easily install 2 versions of
> the same package.
Countless times I had installed a newer version of a package only to
discover it managed to slip it in there in some borken manner that left
the old version completely intact *and* installe
On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> I don't have a problem as much with downloading dependencies as I do with
> needing programs that require conflicting libraries. I'm fortunate in that I
> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site I'm
> accessing can hand
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well.
Not sure what paralell universe that's from. Linux runs on PDAs, for
chrissake. 8:o) I ran ursine.dyndns.org on a 386 with 8MB RAM and
111MB of disk space (I was in high school and had to scrape togethe
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
> complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line. You also have
> to make an effort to install two versions of
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:09, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Ron writes:
> >
[snip]
> >A Debian policy-that-I-think-is-a-quirk: there is the the concept
> >of the meta-package. mail-transport-agent is an example. When,
> >for example, you install exim, mail-transport-agent is also
> >installed. If y
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> The Debian web site says that Debian will install on 12 Meg RAM. Is that
> information current?
I haven't seen a reason why it wouldn't be.
> What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming there
> are
> a few current or ex-R
Ron writes:
>
>> That by itself is good enough for me to try it. I absolutely dread Red Hat
>> upgrades. I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade
>> individual
>> packages without having to re-install the whole system. Most of the time
>> when I
>> upgrade I can guarantee that
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 23:49, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> dman writes:
> >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> >debian packages are much saner too -- for example try installing
> >python2 on a headless RH box *without* also installing the X server
> >and X font se
dman writes:
>On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>I don't know about *install*, but it certainly *runs* (and sometimes
>crawls :-)) on 8MB.
Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well. I found that I can run FVWM on a
remote box using X-forwarding to a better box
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:24:39PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
| On Wed, 8 May 2002 19:09:13 -0500
| "Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming
| > there are a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?
|
| The main thi
On Wed, 8 May 2002 19:09:13 -0500
"Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Debian web site says that Debian will install on 12 Meg RAM. Is
> that information current?
I just finished installing 6 systems (2 P100s and 4 P166s) here. Most had
32 megs of memory, however two did have 16
Lo, on Wednesday, May 8, Glen Lee Edwards did write:
> Hi,
>
> I've been a loyal Red Hat user for the last 4 or 5 years. Their recent
> distributions will no longer install on all my computers because they now
> require more than 16 Meg RAM. I have a few questions:
> How well does FVWM run o
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