Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:33:34AM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 20/08/2020 10:08, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: Without knowing anything about your resources, needs, expectations, "consistent backup plan", etc., and given the choices ext2, ext3,

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 20/08/2020 10:08, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: Without knowing anything about your resources, needs, expectations, "consistent backup plan", etc., and given the choices ext2, ext3, or ext4 for an external USB drive presumably to store backup reposit

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-19 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive.  I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 aug 20, 10:31:51, David Wright wrote: > > I'm dubious whether I shall ever start using these filesystems. > I create multiple backups on ext4 filesystems on LUKS, and keep > MD5 digests of their contents. Would that qualify as your > "additional tools"? Assuming you are also periodicall

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread David Wright
On Fri 14 Aug 2020 at 08:25:20 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 12 aug 20, 20:14:03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > > think I want to

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:31:08AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:32:13PM +, ghe2001 wrote: > >Two for sure and put them in a RAID1 -- formatted ext4. And watch that > >mdstat. > > > >And a third or fourth to see if you can get ZFS going. > > For playing around wit

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:32:13PM +, ghe2001 wrote: Two for sure and put them in a RAID1 -- formatted ext4. And watch that mdstat. And a third or fourth to see if you can get ZFS going. For playing around with tech, sure: for part of a mundane, reliable backup strategy for the OP, and as

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 aug 20, 20:14:03, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is > any > g

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 01:31, David Christensen wrote: > Migrating to ZFS was non-trivial, and I am still wresting with > disaster preparedness. I should have qualified that -- when I used ZFS only as a volume manager and file system, it was not much harder than md and ext4. You could put a GPT partiti

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Tom Dial
On 8/13/20 13:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: >> Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at >> >> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B >> uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html >> >>

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 04:09:46 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: > >> I would recommend installing from buster-backports to get the current > >> openzfs release which includes improvements

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:50 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote: > > > Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > > > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > > > > I concur, given the OP's use c

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Dan Ritter
D. R. Evans wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > > > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > > > > I concur, given the OP's use case. And I speak as someone who raves about ZFS > at every reasonable opportunity :-) Also concur. But by all means buy a spare drive and expe

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread D. R. Evans
Greg Wooledge wrote on 8/13/20 2:29 PM: > > The simplest answer would be to use ext4. > I concur, given the OP's use case. And I speak as someone who raves about ZFS at every reasonable opportunity :-) Doc -- Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans signature.asc Description: OpenPGP d

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 01:09:46PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > * Most of my backup will be done from a Wheezy system -- can I install > > ZFS > > on Wheezy? > > I do not see any ZFS packages for Wheezy: > > The simplest answer would be

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-13 12:52, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html They certainl

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 01:45:59 PM Tom Dial wrote: > Debian ZFS root (and boot) is not *that* hard; see the instructions at > > https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Debian/Debian%20B > uster%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html > > They certainly are not harder than installing early

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread local10
Aug 13, 2020, 00:14 by rhkra...@gmail.com: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is > any > good reas

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread Tom Dial
On 8/13/20 02:31, David Christensen wrote: > On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up >> to an >> external USB drive.  I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to >> use, I >> think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 fa

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 09:15:21PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:14:03 -0400 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up > > to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable > > filesystem to use, I thin

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:55:35PM +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 13/08/2020 12:14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an > >external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I > >think I want to stay i

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-13 Thread David Christensen
On 8/12/20 5:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use an

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:14:03 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up > to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable > filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and > I'm wondering if there is any

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Mark Allums
On 8/12/2020 7:14 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 13/08/2020 12:14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use a

Re: Recommendation for filesystem for USB external drive for backups

2020-08-12 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 13/8/20 10:14 am, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting closer to setting up a consistent backup plan, backing up to an external USB drive. I'm wondering about a reasonable filesystem to use, I think I want to stay in the ext2/3/4 family, and I'm wondering if there is any good reason to use a