Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 21:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 18:10 +, Curt wrote: > > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000Old_age Always > >- 7539 > > 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 034 034 000Old_age Always > >-

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 18:10 +, Curt wrote: > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000Old_age Always > - 7539 > 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 034 034 000Old_age Always > - 500820 500820 / 7539 = 66 so around 1 time each minute, but I'

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: >> parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last two years > > And I learn too. Some minutes before I read your mail, my claim would > have been, that it's impossible, that such a drive will last for two

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: > I'm too embarassed to give you my load cycle count, but if I had as > many euros as I do cycles, I'd be living in luxury down on the Côte > d'Azur. http://www.fishofadifferentcolor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/du-money-bin-play1.jpg http://neamar.

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: > parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last two years And I learn too. Some minutes before I read your mail, my claim would have been, that it's impossible, that such a drive will last for two years. On Linux Audio Users mailing list (LA

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Don't confuse > > 12 Power_Cycle_Count > > with > > 193 Load_Cycle_Count > Well, actually, I just discovered that my Western Digital (WD15EARS) drive suffers from the dreaded Load_Cycle_Count syndrome (parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 12:44 +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Isn't that plausible? I'm the source, I care for facts, not for claims > > from vendors. > > >From your favorite company: > > > > Power Cycles. The power cycles indicator counts the > number of times

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Isn't that plausible? I'm the source, I care for facts, not for claims > from vendors. >From your favorite company: Power Cycles. The power cycles indicator counts the number of times a drive is powered up and down. In a server-class deployment, in whi

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 17:56 -0400, Celejar wrote: > Do you have reason to believe this, or a source, or are you just > expressing your opinion, unshackled by facts and data? > > Quite likely not, but who said that that will be due to excessive > spinups / spindowns? It's the kind of breakage, the

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 02:56:12 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:33 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > > > Ralf Mardorf

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:33 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > Each time you reboot, you harm y

Re: Rebooting problem

2003-11-13 Thread ajlewis2
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: > Hi all, > I'm a debian newbie. Last night I've download the debian-installer beta. > With a litle luck I got it to install the base system. Now comes the > problem. I have 3 HDs the boot HD has Grub and XP on it. The 2nd HD has > Debian on it. With LILO install on

Re: Rebooting under a customized kernel

2002-05-06 Thread W. Paul Mills
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (curtis) writes: > Ok, after trying to compile the kernel now several different ways, I > still can't boot up afterwards. That is, on boot up while it's doing > the, what is it LILO 2.22 something like that, it gets > started and then starts over, and over, an

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-03-02 Thread kmself
on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 08:27:55AM -0800, Nate Amsden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > SamBozo Debian User wrote: > > > > Hello to the group, > > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of > > rebooting just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of > > the cli entr

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Keith G. Murphy
William Leese wrote: > > > heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob > with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm > guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as > someone already said installing a new kernel..

Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Richard Taylor
> From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Richard Taylor wrote: > >> >Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of course -yet >> >anyways. >> >> That depends on whether you hand write your code or let a >> wysiwyg editor approximate it for you. >> >> Most pros will

Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Steve
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Richard Taylor wrote: > > >Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of course -yet > >anyways. > > That depends on whether you hand write your code or let a > wysiwyg editor approximate it for you. > > Most pros will tell you that the only proper code is hand

WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-19 Thread Richard Taylor
> From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: >> mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good >> WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time. > >Give Amaya a tryout, done by the w3 folks. Amaya's really good...

WYSIWYG HTML Editor was Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-18 Thread Steve
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: > mmm, i'll give it a try. Just hope someone will come along with a good > WYSIWYS-editor for linux (GPL-ed.. ofcourse, unlike Bluefish) some time. > Give Amaya a tryout, done by the w3 folks. Nothing in opensource is going to be close to DreamWeaver of

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Dwayne C. Litzenberger
> if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it > prompts for > the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runlevel 2. that will > effectivly > restart all programs on the system except (i think) init, and of course > the > kernel. > > restarting programs really depends on

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls
I have crashed my share of drives too. What I learned is that I get the very best luck out of Western Digital. Of all the WD drives, I only killed one - and that was purely my fault - 1500Watts of RF without benefit of an RF ground = bad/evil/smoke producing things to computers :) Yet WD warrented

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-17 Thread Sebastiaan
For my (little home) servers, I always try a reboot after I installed something regarding to the things it serves. If something goes wrong (power failure, accicent, etc) I know that the vital parts work directly 100% after reboot. As for my client/workstation system, I have to reboot when I need t

HDDs (Re: Rebooting is foolish .... )

2001-02-17 Thread Robert Waldner
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:41:04 +0100, William Leese writes: >..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, >but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something >about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM >maybe? I

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread John Galt
Everything in /etc/init.d is a shell script that can be used to restart a daemon. Usage: /etc/init.d/ restart. If there's not a init.d script, ps aux|grep to get the PID, then kill -HUP . That's just about it: if it doesn't fit into one of these two categories, it's not important to the machi

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, William Leese wrote: > ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate > maybe, but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've > heard something about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes > reliable HDs, anyone? IBM maybe? IBM drives are q

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote: > ..okay, so we have maxtor, seagate, conner (same company as seagate maybe, > but they still sell HDs under their name) and i think i've heard something > about samsung.. so, which HD manufacturer makes reliable HDs, anyone? IBM > maybe? IBM is all i use now.. i'd buy a maxt

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
> back in 1995(last time that i used seagate) i had 2 conner 420MB drives > and 1 seagate 540 (and now they are the same company *shudder*) fail > within > 3 months of using them because of the powersaving auto spindown. ever > since > i have not used that feature unless its on a laptop. and i've o

Re: Rebooting woes ..was.. Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote: > I KNOW THIS is NOT the proper way to do things with Linux ... > but how else do you know? > Please tell me? > I'll change my evil ways... if it comes to it you can always go to runlevel 1 (init 1), when it prompts for the root password hit CTRL-D to come back to runle

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
William Leese wrote: > heh, noted.. using a seagate HD here.. only a few months old, had one prob > with it.. which had something to do with the powersaving feature i'm > guessing. can't see any reason to reboot linux at all, with exception as > someone already said installing a new kernel.. but o

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread William Leese
On Friday 16 February 2001 17:27, Nate Amsden wrote: > try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with > rebooting > not too long ago. a sun ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to > move a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 hours rebuilding > it. > > fucki

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Hall Stevenson
> try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad > experience with rebooting not too long ago. a sun > ultra 10..up for about 130 days..shut it down to move > a UPS, it never came back up. spent the next 15-20 > hours rebuilding it. Similar experience here at work with a Sun Sparc we had... mo

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Nate Amsden
SamBozo Debian User wrote: > > Hello to the group, > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting > just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys try avoid rebooting whenever possible. i had a bad experience with rebooting not too long a

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Sebastiaan
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Colin Watson wrote: > SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting > >just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys > >that would have accomplished this? Are there diff

Re: Rebooting is foolish ....

2001-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
SamBozo Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recently there were comments made as to the "foolishness" of rebooting >just to reset an edited config file. How about a list of the cli entrys >that would have accomplished this? Are there different ones for >different config files? SHUP somet

Tk-Skript for shutting down the box [Was: Re: rebooting as user]

2000-04-23 Thread Frank Barknecht
Mullins, Ron hat gesagt: // Mullins, Ron wrote: > C-A-Rubout drops me to a console, yes. Using xdm/wdm/gdm that console isn't > logged in. This then leaves me with, "Ok, honey...now that you've killed the > window manager, you now have to login again, then you can hit C-A-Del. (me > gets blank sta

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-21 Thread Klaus Duscher
"Mullins, Ron" wrote: > > C-A-Rubout? What, pray tell, is Rubout? BTW: I use xdm, so I don't drop to a > prompt or anything nice where I'm logged in. > > To Oswald: I have trusted users...but not all. > > To Marshal: Yes I added shutdown to a shutdown group and added users to that > group. No jo

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-20 Thread Oswald Buddenhagen
> Wouldn't this be possible using sudo? I'd say this is exactly meant > to give specific users access to specific super user level commands. > Give your wife permission to "sudo halt" or "sudo reboot" and the only > thing she'll need to know is her own password. > note: you can tell sudo not to r

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-20 Thread David Wright
Quoting Mullins, Ron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > C-A-Rubout drops me to a console, yes. Using xdm/wdm/gdm that console isn't > logged in. This then leaves me with, "Ok, honey...now that you've killed the > window manager, you now have to login again, then you can hit C-A-Del. (me > gets blank stare, the

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-20 Thread Peter van Rossum
On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 10:46:58AM -0500, Mullins, Ron wrote: > Now, before I start, I'm not a newbie. I've setup Debian many times, setup a > masq'ed network, email/ftp/DNS servers, gateways and byways :). What I > haven't seen yet is how to reboot in X as a user. I can from the terminal > (using

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-20 Thread John Bagdanoff
"C. Falconer" wrote: > > Lateral thinking solutions > > 1) Buy her a new machine > 2) Buy yourself a new machine and give her your current one > 3) Become Amish so you don't need a computer :) > > -- > From: Mullins, Ron[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Why is this critical? I

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-20 Thread Surefire
"Mullins, Ron" wrote: > To Nate: I'm assuming that by GDM you mean Gnome? Yes, it's installed. Gnome > guys should have the shutdown read shutdown.allow, huh? > > Please guys. How do YOU reboot, those of you who haft to. There has to be an > easy way to let a DSU home user reboot while in transiti

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-19 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:02:14AM -0600, Mullins, Ron wrote: > Please guys. How do YOU reboot, those of you who haft to. There has to be an > easy way to let a DSU home user reboot while in transition. I don't want to > hear, "I couldn't get anything done. You had the computer in Linux and I > do

Re: rebooting as user

2000-04-19 Thread Kent West
"Mullins, Ron" wrote: > C-A-Rubout? What, pray tell, is Rubout? BTW: I use xdm, so I don't drop to a > prompt or anything nice where I'm logged in. I believe most of us refer to it as Backspace. > > To Oswald: I have trusted users...but not all. > > To Marshal: Yes I added shutdown to a shutdown

Re: Rebooting

1999-04-10 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 13:57:58 +, Chris Brown wrote: > We have Debian 2.1 system here that seems to be rebooting a lot, and it > seems to be doing it on its own. Sometimes, according to syslog it will > reboot multiple times in a row. Unfortunately, none of the logs have any > documented re

Re: re-rebooting during installation

1998-09-20 Thread Kent West
If you get a private reply that answers this, please post it; I've seen the question here before without having seen the answer, and I'd like to know too. Thanks. On Fri, 18 Sep 1998, G. Crimp wrote: > Hi, > > Question first, details follow for those that want them. > > Question: How c

re-rebooting during installation

1998-09-18 Thread G. Crimp
Hi, Question first, details follow for those that want them. Question: How can I get Deb to present me with the profile selection screen that one gets during installation of Deb 2.0, after one has partitioned, initialized, configured the net and the base system and rebooted ? You know,